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11-16-2007, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
No one is arguing with the fact that you choose not to celebrate Christmas, that is entirely your choice, and you shouldn't be ridiculed.
What we have issue with is your rationale, and your little "prayer". Your little "prayer" is ridiculing every Christian who DOES celebrate Christmas.
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I'm glad the little 'X-Mass' (Christ doesn't belong, and isn't in, Pagan customs) prayer offends you. Perhaps that means you felt a twinge of conviction.
Oh... and political correctness is Roman Catholicism (just like X-Mass). The Edict of Toleration. Don't expect me to tell you your sin is okay.
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11-16-2007, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
No one is arguing with the fact that you choose not to celebrate Christmas, that is entirely your choice, and you shouldn't be ridiculed.
What we have issue with is your rationale, and your little "prayer". Your little "prayer" is ridiculing every Christian who DOES celebrate Christmas.
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That was NOT my prayer..but it did seem to reflect the "rationale" of those who DO choose to celebrate..as the unsaved do., for ME salvation opened MY eyes to things I'd never have dared to even consider..yet I am glad that I did finally "see" so many many things not previously seen in my years living for the oppostie side., things of which I cannot go on actings as IF I did not now know., for me its personal.
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11-16-2007, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by stasis
I'm glad the little 'X-Mass' (Christ doesn't belong, and isn't in, Pagan customs) prayer offends you. Perhaps that means you felt a twinge of conviction.
Oh... and political correctness is Roman Catholicism (just like X-Mass). The Edict of Toleration. Don't expect me to tell you your sin is okay.
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I apologize for addressing my comments to the wrong person, I was thinking you were the one saying that we shouldn't ridicule others with opposing viewpoints.
I can clearly see that you don't care who you ridicule, so I'm sure the sentiment was wasted on you.
And, your little prayer didn't offend me, it amused me.
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11-16-2007, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by simplyme
That was NOT my prayer..but it did seem to reflect the "rationale" of those who DO choose to celebrate..as the unsaved do., for ME salvation opened MY eyes to things I'd never have dared to even consider..yet I am glad that I did finally "see" so many many things not previously seen in my years living for the oppostie side., things of which I cannot go on actings as IF I did not now know., for me its personal.
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Interesting that you would cry foul when others were ridiculing you, and yet you put Christians who celebrate Christmas in the same camp as the unsaved.
I guess that only works one way, huh?
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11-16-2007, 06:02 PM
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America, bless God.
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Originally Posted by stasis
... No. I mean, you really don't. Your statement clearly shows that.
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Yeah, and your attitude stinketh. I'm out.
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11-16-2007, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Interesting that you would cry foul when others were ridiculing you, and yet you put Christians who celebrate Christmas in the same camp as the unsaved.
I guess that only works one way, huh?
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No need to jump to such a conclusion., if you'll carefully read ALL my words I referred to that salvation had changed my view..
I said what I did, having once been unsaved myself, that they [I didn't] don't always know better UNLESS of course they have read the BIBLE., or attended a bible study on this topic..or ?? I guess anyone with a thirst for TRUTH about holidays could find out for themselves..in any number of ways. Its not just a BIBLE thing..history speaks louder than anything I could say.
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11-17-2007, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by simplyme
No need to jump to such a conclusion., if you'll carefully read ALL my words I referred to that salvation had changed my view..
I said what I did, having once been unsaved myself, that they [I didn't] don't always know better UNLESS of course they have read the BIBLE., or attended a bible study on this topic..or ?? I guess anyone with a thirst for TRUTH about holidays could find out for themselves..in any number of ways. Its not just a BIBLE thing..history speaks louder than anything I could say.
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I'm sorry, but the more you try and explain, the more your elitist attitude shows thru.
For instance, I guess anyone with a thirst for TRUTH about holidays......I guess those of us who still celebrate Christmas dont' have a thirst for truth?
Or, those of us who still choose to celebrate Christmas don't know better, whereas you do........
Sorry, friend........if you would have simply said, "My choice is not to celebrate based on personal conviction", I would have accepted that. Instead, you're putting anyone who DOES still celebrate Christmas in a different, more carnal, less educated class than yourself, and that's ridicule.
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11-17-2007, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
I'm sorry, but the more you try and explain, the more your elitist attitude shows thru.
For instance, I guess anyone with a thirst for TRUTH about holidays......I guess those of us who still celebrate Christmas dont' have a thirst for truth?
Or, those of us who still choose to celebrate Christmas don't know better, whereas you do........
Sorry, friend........if you would have simply said, "My choice is not to celebrate based on personal conviction", I would have accepted that. Instead, you're putting anyone who DOES still celebrate Christmas in a different, more carnal, less educated class than yourself, and that's ridicule.
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Sorry you feel that way., its your choice to decipher my words like that..not my desire to offend., but it seems that you do not understand that is how I experienced this whole issue, its WHY I do NOT do the whole xmas thing for many years now, it doesn't mean I don't appreciate family gatherings or love my neighbors either.., I can't help but see it still goin on all around me, if it makes someone happy I can't complain, better happy than not., I say., I am happy please continue bein happy2..never mind me. 
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11-17-2007, 09:49 AM
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To post or not to post, that is the question I am mulling over... I'll just say this, to you guys and gals that are so death on Christmas, we just won't have our Christmas celebrations in front of you... But we are going to celebrate the birth of Christ with the rest of America, so close your eyes if you come by... If even the worst of the world pauses one day or season to acknowledge the birth of Christ, I am not going to tell them they are wrong... I am going try to build on it and show them through the Holy Ghost that they can celebrate Jesus all year long...
An argument with some of you religious people isn't going to change a thing for you or me, so do what ever you want and be blessed, we will be too, whether you like it or not...
Michael, you would love how we decorate our church for Christmas...
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11-17-2007, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor G
To post or not to post, that is the question I am mulling over... I'll just say this, to you guys and gals that are so death on Christmas, we just won't have our Christmas celebrations in front of you... But we are going to celebrate the birth of Christ with the rest of America, so close your eyes if you come by... If even the worst of the world pauses one day or season to acknowledge the birth of Christ, I am not going to tell them they are wrong... I am going try to build on it and show them through the Holy Ghost that they can celebrate Jesus all year long...
An argument with some of you religious people isn't going to change a thing for you or me, so do what ever you want and be blessed, we will be too, whether you like it or not...
Michael, you would love how we decorate our church for Christmas...
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Good post and amen.
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Philippians 1:15 - 18 (KJV) 15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
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Seems some want to sing 'O Holy night' and others "O holier I am then thou"..........  One celebrates Christ and the other.........well you can probably figure that out.
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