If your mom sends you to the grocery store for Milk and Eggs, and then asks you if you got eggs upon your return, does that mean you werent supposed to get the Milk?
just wondering.
Are we still arguing whether the command of baptism ... like all other commands should be obeyed?
If so ... we all agree ... but as always this point is ignored or misunderstood ...
We are discussing the when, how and what happens AT OUR NEW BIRTH.
In other words, to use Ferd's faulty analogy ... when and how did I become mommy's child?
Are we still arguing whether the command of baptism ... like all other commands should be obeyed?
If so ... we all agree ... but as always this point is ignored or misunderstood ...
We are discussing the when, how and what happens.
You are hedging and know it you are a smart guy and YOU know baptism in Acts is always identified with believing NOT other commands as communion and etc. To relegate baptism to the same status as communion or anything else commanded seems dishonest to me?
You are hedging and know it you are a smart guy and YOU know baptism in Acts is always identified with believing NOT other commands as communion and etc. To relegate baptism to the same status as communion or anything else commanded seems dishonest to me?
Sir, and you are just as smart as I am ...
baptism, an initial command, is obeyed by true believers professing and publicly proclaiming their new found faith ... but relegating it to causing salvation or effectuating the wiping away of sin is theologically unsound and DISHONEST.
Let alone that salvation hinges on the baptizer and his/her articulations.
baptism, an initial command, is obeyed by true believers professing and publicly proclaiming their new found faith ... but relegating it to causing salvation or effectuating the wiping away of sin is theologically unsound and DISHONEST.
Let alone that salvation hinges on the baptizer and his/her articulations.
do the disobedient remain saved?
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Hebrews 10 clearly states the law with it's sacrifices and priesthood could NEVER take sins away. Yet they were forgiven. Remission of sins only come through the shed blood of Christ. Not until then.
But it is Scripturally clear that the OT saints did have their sins taken away.
(Psalm 103:10-12) "He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. 11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. 12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us."
Of course they were baptized, but that doesn't change how Paul answered the question.
If you had been at the Philippian jailers home, how would you have answered his question?
One more question: The Philippian jailer believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and was baptized the same hour of the night, was he saved, or did Paul leave him still as lost as two boys kissing?
Ferd
You didn't answer my question.
The Philippian jailer believed and was baptized - was he saved?
Of course they were baptized, but that doesn't change how Paul answered the question.
If you had been at the Philippian jailers home, how would you have answered his question?
One more question: The Philippian jailer believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and was baptized the same hour of the night, was he saved, or did Paul leave him still as lost as two boys kissing?
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Originally Posted by Stephanas
Ferd
You didn't answer my question.
The Philippian jailer believed and was baptized - was he saved?
He left the jailer and his family w/o obeying the resurrection??? 2/3 rds born again?
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