"and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins ..."
Why not also say what Jesus said? The two verses can not exist without the other. For some it would be hard to draw the conclusion that Jesus is God without both scriptures. I have heard stories of people seeing the revelation of the Might God in Christ by reading Matthew 28:19 and then seeing Acts 2:38 and seeing the similarities.
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My friend has left his UPCI church to go a different route. He says its so his wife will go to church with him. The church he goes to know baptizes like this:
"I now baptize you in the name of the Father, son and H.G. in the name of Jesus."
Any thoughts?
do they have kids?
I tell you this much, when someone who knows and believes the truth, finds themselves in such a situation, that is one thing, but when you believe something, but raise your kids in an environment that is differnent, you are in a world of trouble.
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Why not also say what Jesus said? The two verses can not exist without the other. For some it would be hard to draw the conclusion that Jesus is God without both scriptures. I have heard stories of people seeing the revelation of the Might God in Christ by reading Matthew 28:19 and then seeing Acts 2:38 and seeing the similarities.
Yes, yes, indeed! Matthew 28:19 is very much so a One God scripture; if you will!
"baptizing them in the NAME of the Father-John 5:43 Jesus said I come in my Father's Name, the Son-Isaiah 9:6 the Prophet told of His name being called the Mighty God. The angel appeared to Mary saying she is going to bare a son and to call His name Jesus, the Holy Ghost John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name ... so as you all can see the NAME in Matt. 28:19 is very much JESUS CHRIST."
I tell you this much, when someone who knows and believes the truth, finds themselves in such a situation, that is one thing, but when you believe something, but raise your kids in an environment that is differnent, you are in a world of trouble.
I said that because some believe a baptism is no good at all if the name "Jesus" is not spoken. I don't believe in a magical formula! I believe that the purpose and authority of baptism is important. I believe that "in the name of Jesus Christ" is the formula that is most congruent to scripture. I don't, however, believe that those that are baptized using the Matt 28:19 formula are lost and bound for hell!
I've seen men of God simply lay their hands on a demon possessed person and they are liberated ... why ??? because they did so in the name of the Lord .. with His person through them .... w/ His power and authority. As I have seen Spirit-filled people cast out demons while invoking the name of our Lord.
There are layers to this, Mizpeh. If simple invocation was enough then the sons of Sceva would not have been wrecked by the demon they sought exorcise. If simply casting out demons in His name ... or possessing the power given to us to do so ... is what saves us ... then those that God will not tell some on that day ... depart from me.
Some are hung up ... on the proper verbalization ... and that is troublesome.
I think I understand where you are coming from. One man said it like this, "empty hands laid on empty heads, speaking empty words that are dead".
I think though, that unless you clarify yourself, many will assume that you do not think it is needed at all to speak the name of Jesus.
I would say it takes BOTH relational authority, and the use of the Name, for one to work with power. I would not want to be guilty of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
I said that because some believe a baptism is no good at all if the name "Jesus" is not spoken. I don't believe in a magical formula! I believe that the purpose and authority of baptism is important. I believe that "in the name of Jesus Christ" is the formula that is most congruent to scripture. I don't, however, believe that those that are baptized using the Matt 28:19 formula are lost and bound for hell!
I don't see anything wrong with that. When I baptize I say
"Person's full name ________________ Upon the profession of your faith, and obedience to the Word of God I now baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins (and if they don't have the Holy Ghost I conclude by saying) that you may receive the Holy Ghost"
I was preaching at a Church one time and the Pastor asked me to baptize a couple of new converts, and I said the above, and he had me to rebaptize them without saying "that you may receive the Holy Ghost."
why not say what petrer said in the bible? "and ye SHALL recieve the GIFT of the holy Ghost."
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Why add anything besides Jesus Name to the equation if it's the NAME that does the work?
Here is the way I see it. If I have a horrible allergy that can potentially take my life and all it takes is a shot of some specific medicine to cure me then, without fail, I would take it.
However, I would become tremendously concerned if they said, "We're going to give you the specific medicine that it takes to cure you! But, while we're at it, we're going to mix in some morphine, some steriods and some chemotherapy - three other elements that aren't remotely needed just to see what happens to you!"
Thanks but NO THANKS!
Just give me what it take to be cured: Jesus Name does that just fine.
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Just wondering why nobody remotely addressed this? I thought it was a good analogy of what those do that insist on putting things in water baptism that aren't necessary.
To me it's like saying, "I baptize you in the name the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, Rose of Sharon, Lilly of the Valley and Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Eenie, meanie, mynie, moe - catch a tiger by it's toe - Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers and yo ho ho and a bottle of - (well, okay, not that part) - And it shall come to pass in the last days - Go and sin no more - rise, take up thy bed - and in Jesus Name."
WHY add what isn't necessary. It's the Name that God required.
Why put three more unnecessary medicines in the shot when all it takes is the right ONE to cure me?
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