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Old 10-22-2007, 11:09 PM
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Yes, God is indeed a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, even what we can hide from our dearest friends or can't see in them because of a deep friendship. Even those things with which we might be able to even deceive or delude ourselves.

I pray the Lord give us all a clean heart, a right spirit and a sincere relationship with Him!
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:15 PM
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Oh no, you did NOT just say that!!!!!



ROFL!

Yeah I did. LOL
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:17 PM
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I am believing that Robin Hawkins, Rick Hawkins ex wife. Will one day rise out of the ashes that have been “prepared” for her by pain, hurt, betrayal and desertion.

For a long time paula has pounded her fists and strutted across the “stage” claiming she has all the answers, for your life of design.

Since her new “life” seminars. she has been busted for lying, cheating, rumors of infidelity, deserting WW’s (except for her “appearence) shortly to “design” there lives.. God forbid.

She has been sighted as (and i am just posting the extended sightings and strong accusations of being the new woman on “ricks arm” and strutting now across the Family Praise Centers Stage, as well as being refered to as “dustins spiritual mom?” wonderful!?!! Geez

Robin is residing in Lousianna in a nice home provided by the “imfamous” rick hawkinis. through all of this she has written a letter, supporting this man .. why I will never know?

Most people know the truth any way and are baffled at her willing ness to be pushed aside.

Whatever the reason, I believe that she is hidden away under God’s mighty protection and wing for the day that she will arise and be heard and be a healing to many women who have been mislead and broken by the things she has had to endure.

Keep watching, she is a woman to be heard and EVENTUALLY SHE WILL COME FORTH AND FILL THE CALL THAT GOD HAS ON HER LIFE. THIS IS A GODLY, SUBMISSIVE LOVING AND KIND WOMAN.

MY PRAYER IS THAT ROBIN WILL BE PREPARED FOR THE DAY THAT SHE WILL RISE WITH HEALING AND HELP FOR MANY.. SHE IS A WOMAN OF ‘EXPERIENCE” AND SHE WILL HAVE PLENTY TO SAY. NOT TO HURT OR HARM OR PAY BACK.. BUT TO BRING UNDERSTANDING AND CLARITY AND LOVE TO THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH..

WE NEED VOICES LIKE YOURS ROBIN . DON’T THINK YOUR CAN’T BE USED TO HEAL AND RESTORE.. YOU HAVE AN ARMY OF WOMEN WHO KNOW THE TRUTH AND BELIEVE IN YOU.

PAULA WHITE HAS HURT ALOT OF PEOPLE. NOT BECAUSE SHE IS A BAD PERSON, BUT BECAUSE SHE IS LOST AND PRIDEFUL.. YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND ARE KIND AND LOVING.. HEALING IS COMING TO YOU IN WAYS YOU CAN NOT CONTAIN AND YOU WILL BE A LOVELY “VOICE” AND “TEACHER” YOU MY DEAR HAVE A LOT OF ABILITY AND BLESSING COMING YOUR WAY.. GOD SAW IT ALL AND HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH.. AND PERSONALLY ROBIN? SO DO WE.

WE BELIEVE IN YOU GIRL!
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:19 PM
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" LIFESTYLES OF THE RICH AND FAMOUS "


Paula And Randy White

Excerpts from a May 20, 2007 Tampa Tribune article, Of Faith, Fame & Fortune, by Michelle Bearden And Baird Helgeson

The Whites' church, founded in 1991, became Without Walls International, a church that claims 23,500 members on two campuses and is ranked one of the largest and fastest-growing independent churches in the country, according to Church Growth Today, a consulting company. Without Walls, including its Lakeland campus and Paula’s broadcast ministry, took in $35 million in tithes and offerings last year, according to a recent audit by Lewis, Birch & Ricardo CPAs. [The audit was posted online last week - the first public accounting in the church’s history - after The Tampa Tribune requested a copy]. How much of the revenue goes to the Whites, the couple won’t say. The audit lists more than $5.5 million in salaries for 2006. The church declined to say how many employees were on the payroll.

Most of the couple’s personal income comes from private businesses, including a real estate company, sales of nutritional supplements and speaking engagements, he said. Since 2005, two of their businesses have sold $871,000 in books, DVDs, CDs and clothing to the church, according to the recent audit. Paula is , a sought-after speaker at Christian programs, women's retreats and success seminars. She just launched a health and fitness program, "10 Commandments of Health and Wellness," and in July, she'll launch her "Life by Design" workshops across the street from Madison Square Garden. Her companion book, "You're All That: Discovering God's Design on Your Life," comes out in October.

Notice, they have for profit businesses, that profit from the church. Once these pimps make a big building, they make up businesses to offer various goods and services and milk the church coffers for more bucks. That’s what you really call getting paid coming and going! Notice there is no full total for all the money they make from all their private businesses. So how much of the money coming in is going out to help the needy? [quote by Randy and Paula White are Vipers! by Independent Conservative].

It paid more than $3.1 million for “missions, outreach and benevolence” last year, according to the audit. [less than the $5.5 million payroll and less than 10% of the $35 million collected last year]. Yes, they do good works, said former staff member Larry DeLaRosa. But given the millions in revenue, Without Walls should be doing more, he said... "They've built an empire and used it to gain their own financial wealth," he said. "If I had one-tenth of what they have, I could do twice as many ministries as they say they're supporting now."

"Since 2000, court records show five business deals that soured after the Whites refused to pay”, including

“Jacqueline Knight, who runs a Tampa public relations and marketing company, said, "We've moved on and we're friends again" after she placed a lien on the church for $16,782 in unpaid bills in April 2002. She was paid an undisclosed sum before it got to court...."

Former airplane broker Todd Bates and Randy repeatedly discussed features and costs. of a a small business jet. Randy asked that the landing gear be overhauled before the sale, and, as the aircraft sat jacked up in the middle of the maintenance, Bates said Randy stopped returning his calls. Learning that Randy had bought a plane from someone else Todd Bates “sued the church in Oakland County Court in Michigan, seeking $100,000 in damages, the commission he would have received on the deal. The church ended up settling for even more: $125,000”.

"County Court Judge Paul Huey ordered the church to pay Cox-Feivelson Antiques and Design Gallery $10,217 for unpaid bills in November."

"The trappings are physical as well. Both the Whites have undergone cosmetic surgery, seeming to grow younger over the past five years. “We’re on television, and you’ve got to look the part,” Randy said".

“Randy who "admits that he doesn’t pray before meals, bears several tattoos and enjoys wine" said strip club owner Joe Redner should have been elected to the Tampa City Council in November (”He would have been good for this city”)"”... “Redner attended a Sunday service and spoke to the congregation in July 2006”.

"In January 2005, he was featured on the cover of Makes and Models Magazine, a glossy publication devoted to exotic cars, motorcycles and scantily clad female models. Associate editor Rodney Burrell, then a church member, wrote a glowing story about Randy called “Riding for Souls.” Although putting Randy on the cover - he stood posed next to his wife’s Mercedes SL55, valued at more than $100,000 - was Burrell’s idea, the church had to buy $7,500 worth of magazines for the privilege".

“Donald Trump appeared on Paula’s TV show, “Paula White Today” in October 2006”:

Randy White is also far from an honest man.

"In his autobiography, “Without Walls,” and on a 2002 Web profile, Randy said he enrolled at the former Lee College in Cleveland, Tenn., and earned a bachelor’s degree in ministerial studies and a master’s in divinity. He said he was awarded an honorary doctorate in humane letters from Virginia State University in Petersburg, Va. Representatives from both schools said he did not receive degrees there, though Lee confirmed he took two classes. According to documents Randy gave the Tribune in April, he received a doctorate of humane letters from Commonwealth Assistance Foundation Institute of International Studies in Alexandria, Va., in May 1993. An in-depth Internet search found no mention of the school. There is no telephone listing for it. Randy does have a bachelor’s degree in theology from the International Bible Institute and Seminary, a correspondence school in Orlando. . [INDEX]

Footnote [August 2007]

An article entitled Divorce shakes White's evangelical empire on myfoxtampabay.com on 24 Aug 2007 says..

At Thursday night's service at Without Walls International Church, the Whites announced plans to divorce. The couple shares a $2 million dollar home on Bayshore Boulevard, along with a private jet. Some say the pastors have been spending more time apart as they buy property and pursue ministries elsewhere. Paula White owns a Trump Towers condo in New York City and a home in San Antonio. Randy White is reportedly leasing property in Malibu. [Also See May Christians Divorce & Re-Marry?]

In 2006, Paula purchased a brand new convertible Bentley for friend, T.D. Jakes, She owns a $3.5 million townhouse in New York City and a $2.1 million mansion in Tampa Bay
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:22 PM
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I am believing that Robin Hawkins, Rick Hawkins ex wife. Will one day rise out of the ashes that have been “prepared” for her by pain, hurt, betrayal and desertion.

For a long time paula has pounded her fists and strutted across the “stage” claiming she has all the answers, for your life of design.

Since her new “life” seminars. she has been busted for lying, cheating, rumors of infidelity, deserting WW’s (except for her “appearence) shortly to “design” there lives.. God forbid.

She has been sighted as (and i am just posting the extended sightings and strong accusations of being the new woman on “ricks arm” and strutting now across the Family Praise Centers Stage, as well as being refered to as “dustins spiritual mom?” wonderful!?!! Geez

Robin is residing in Lousianna in a nice home provided by the “imfamous” rick hawkinis. through all of this she has written a letter, supporting this man .. why I will never know?

Most people know the truth any way and are baffled at her willing ness to be pushed aside.

Whatever the reason, I believe that she is hidden away under God’s mighty protection and wing for the day that she will arise and be heard and be a healing to many women who have been mislead and broken by the things she has had to endure.

Keep watching, she is a woman to be heard and EVENTUALLY SHE WILL COME FORTH AND FILL THE CALL THAT GOD HAS ON HER LIFE. THIS IS A GODLY, SUBMISSIVE LOVING AND KIND WOMAN.

MY PRAYER IS THAT ROBIN WILL BE PREPARED FOR THE DAY THAT SHE WILL RISE WITH HEALING AND HELP FOR MANY.. SHE IS A WOMAN OF ‘EXPERIENCE” AND SHE WILL HAVE PLENTY TO SAY. NOT TO HURT OR HARM OR PAY BACK.. BUT TO BRING UNDERSTANDING AND CLARITY AND LOVE TO THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH..

WE NEED VOICES LIKE YOURS ROBIN . DON’T THINK YOUR CAN’T BE USED TO HEAL AND RESTORE.. YOU HAVE AN ARMY OF WOMEN WHO KNOW THE TRUTH AND BELIEVE IN YOU.

PAULA WHITE HAS HURT ALOT OF PEOPLE. NOT BECAUSE SHE IS A BAD PERSON, BUT BECAUSE SHE IS LOST AND PRIDEFUL.. YOU, ON THE OTHER HAND ARE KIND AND LOVING.. HEALING IS COMING TO YOU IN WAYS YOU CAN NOT CONTAIN AND YOU WILL BE A LOVELY “VOICE” AND “TEACHER” YOU MY DEAR HAVE A LOT OF ABILITY AND BLESSING COMING YOUR WAY.. GOD SAW IT ALL AND HE LOVES YOU SO MUCH.. AND PERSONALLY ROBIN? SO DO WE.

WE BELIEVE IN YOU GIRL!

I am having Lunch with Robin Hawkins when I return to Baton Rouge in a few weeks. She lives here now.
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:28 PM
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You are right, she is more at peace. Her husband has been unfaithful for years and she stayed with him. But enough was enough. She refused to sling her husband through the mud and tell all.
This is absolutely the truth. Randy was unfaithful to his first wife and to Paula. She has every right to leave him and divorce him and go on with her life. This has been going on a LONG time and she knew he was getting worse instead of better. God bless Paula - I pray she continues to do well!
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:31 PM
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This is absolutely the truth. Randy was unfaithful to his first wife and to Paula. She has every right to leave him and divorce him and go on with her life. This has been going on a LONG time and she knew he was getting worse instead of better. God bless Paula - I pray she continues to do well!

He wasn't unfaithful to his first wife with Paula was he? I am not accusing or anything but we have all seen people be unfaithful and then marry the one they were unfaithful with.

If he was unfaithful then I say like you , God bless Paula. She will have every right to remarry. If the accusations of her already being with another man is true then both Paula and Randy are wrong.
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Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm".
I hope you don't think this makes Adam look good. In fact, it makes him look worse.

Instead of being deceived, as Eve was, he knew full well what he was doing!! LOL!
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I would venture to guess that no one knows the full story, other than Randy and Paula White.

I think she is an anointed speaker, but I have personally heard her in conferences say things about her and Randy's "personal life" that were totally inappropriate to share with a crowd. I would not even repeat on here some of what she said! Anytime you share that kind of stuff with a crowd, there are definite problems at home.
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