Dear Kansas Preacher,

[SDG]

CR,

You've made some valid points. Those leaving will claim the high road but their situation is precarious to say the least.

I will tell them the minute they leave and opine contrarily on the workings of the fellowship they left ... IT WILL BE DEEMED AS UPC BASHING by those in the ship.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

KP -

They say leaving the church or organization doesn't happen overnight. It's a process that's planned out and takes time. While you're not leaving the church, you have planned on leaving the organization for a while now. It started months, perhaps even up to years, before now. When you resigned from being the Kansas DS, many said it was only a matter of time before you left. If I remember correctly, both you and CS firmly denied this. Looks as though they were right.
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God bless you and your family. I wish you the best in years to come.

Good points, CR. When I left I laid my card right down on the table in front of the board. For reasons that I no longer agree with, I felt that I "owed" some people my silence at the time. I regret keeping silent now.

For anyone thinking of walking away from the UPC over this year's Res 4: I think you need to really evaluate your convictions, or get your blood sugar tested.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

You mentioned just allowing your dues to expire in order to leave the organization. In an earlier post I stated that doing such was a weak way to go. I don't mean to disrespect you, but the method in which you're leaving.

By allowing the card to expire through not paying dues, it relieves you of having to hand in your card and identify yourself as leaving the UPC. Instead, it's the UPC who takes your license because of non-payment of dues.

Understand where I'm going with this?

So instead of it being on record that you handed in your card and left the organization, what will be on record is that the UPC pulled your license because of non-payment of dues. In effect, the UPC - not you - is to blame for your leaving the organization.

Sure it's easier to go out that way - looks better for you too. I believe it's a little weak for such a man of your stature. And while we disagree on many things, I had believed you to be better than this.

God bless you and your family. I wish you the best in years to come.

I sit here in my uncomfortable office chair corrected. It appears I've either received bad information or you have changed your mind. Regardless, I've been notified that you aren't going to just let your dues expire, but that you are going to send your card in with a letter.

As I stated to someone previously, I am sad that you feel the need to go. You and the others leaving provide a balance that's needed in the organization. While we may disagree over the tv ads (I don't think they're the end-all or savior of evangelism - rather another tool to use) and perhaps some other things, I've enjoyed the sincerity and graciousness of your posts.

(Of course, I haven't read what you've posted to CAF, so I could be mistaken) LoL

Again, God bless in your future endeavors.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

CR don't expect the Forward to publish 8 pages of "No Longer Afflilated" names in the 2nd quarter!

You are correct, the official stance will be "non payment of dues."
It is unsure how Resolution #3 will impact this stance.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I sit here in my uncomfortable office chair corrected. It appears I've either received bad information or you have changed your mind. Regardless, I've been notified that you aren't going to just let your dues expire, but that you are going to send your card in with a letter.

As I stated to someone previously, I am sad that you feel the need to go. You and the others leaving provide a balance that's needed in the organization. While we may disagree over the tv ads (I don't think they're the end-all or savior of evangelism - rather another tool to use) and perhaps some other things, I've enjoyed the sincerity and graciousness of your posts.

(Of course, I haven't read what you've posted to CAF, so I could be mistaken) LoL

Again, God bless in your future endeavors.

From his post on this thread he is in the valley of decision on how to leave.

Thad, I NEVER said, "as soon as it passes." I only stated that I WILL leave. That is my intention. I have been telling that the easiest way to leave is to let your dues lapse. It requires no action on the part of the District Board. It is just automatic. My plan has been to let that process work. My dues are paid through the end of the year. That would mean I won't be dropping out until the first of the year.

I have been reconsidering, however. I have been watching the UPCI drift towards liberalism for many years. (I prayed through in a United Pentecostal Church more than 35 years ago, and have been licensed/ordained for more than 25 of those years.) It has grieved me, but I have been unable to stop it. Yesterday, with the passage of Resolution 4, something in me died. This whole process has been, for me, like watching a loved one with a terminal disease. Even though you know it's coming, you still don't cherish the fact that they finally passed away. The problem for me now is, if I wait until my dues lapse, I won't be able to "bury" this loved one for three more months. In other words, there will be no "closure" for me until I am out of the organization.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

CR don't expect the Forward to publish 8 pages of "No Longer Afflilated" names in the 2nd quarter!

You are correct, the official stance will be "non payment of dues."
It is unsure how Resolution #3 will impact this stance.

Boom please explain why and how you think Resolution 3 could play a part in their stance.

[Old Paths]

Short of dying graveyard dead, it seems like a guy could get out of the Mafia with a good standing before a preacher could get out of some orgs.


Go figure.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

CR don't expect the Forward to publish 8 pages of "No Longer Afflilated" names in the 2nd quarter!

You are correct, the official stance will be "non payment of dues."
It is unsure how Resolution #3 will impact this stance.

My father gets the Forward, and from what I've seen, it hasn't contained the "No Longer Affiliated" section for quite some time now. I don't get a chance to read it all the time, but when I've read through it, I haven't seen that section . . . probably back as far as last year.

I'm still unclear on Res #3 . . . so I don't know what all it could cover. That's why I think it's a bad resolution. It's too broad.

I hardly think KP should be placed under question, though I think the DB's need a clear guideline or template on how to proceed with this - and they need to be fair in that those leaving now are given the same scrutiny as those who have left before.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Short of dying graveyard dead, it seems like a guy could get out of the Mafia with a good standing before a preacher could get out of some orgs.


Go figure.

Does anyone like my signature line??

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Short of dying graveyard dead, it seems like a guy could get out of the Mafia with a good standing before a preacher could get out of some orgs.


Go figure.

YEP that is the truth.