I have a strong feeling that if you knew the heart of those on AFF who are prejudged to be of a certain mind/heart set you would be floored so often you would have big old pump knot on the back of your head!
I'm sure this is true. Sometimes people take certain positions or lack thereof because of fear of being mis-judged or mis-labeled or to fit in with a certain mindset, but I also think that some would be pretty much the way that they portray themselves and their beliefs.
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Wow, you really surprised me with this statement. This is the 3rd time tonight that I read something from you that I would not have expected...(the 2nd one being a statement you made in the post that Felicity and I quoted above...and the first one was when you enjoyed very much the song from that trinitarian video Dan posted of Hillsong United) Does your honeybunny Coonskinner think this way too?
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Originally Posted by philjones
I have a strong feeling that if you knew the heart of those on AFF who are prejudged to be of a certain mind/heart set you would be floored so often you would have big old pump knot on the back of your head!
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
As RevRandy has posted in another thread people do what they have to do to fit in with others. I reckon that happens on a public forum. If we knew some folks personally we would probably have a very different opinion of them.
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Originally Posted by Felicity
I'm sure this is true. Sometimes people take certain positions or lack thereof because of fear of being mis-judged or mis-labeled or to fit in with a certain mindset, but I also think that some would be pretty much the way that they portray themselves and their beliefs.
Well, for me it was very refreshing to me to hear/read LCS say the things she said. Evidently, she does not cower to social pressures of "fitting in" and speaks from her heart. I agree with her, some people would be surprised at who they see next to them in heaven...
I appreciate the UCs that believe as they do and do as they do simply because they do it unto the LORD and do not judge and condemn others that dont see it or do things the way they do... I would step up to bat and duke it out and defend all UCs and their standards if they collectively did not condemn and send to hell those that did not meet their standards...I respect anyone that does something because they want to do it unto the LORD. But I get stoked when some UCs (and sometimes I wonder if these UCs that get me stoked are the loud and boisterous minority among their group...maybe it would do me well to put on my and think better of the majority of that group )...anyway, as I was saying, I get stoked when they begin to condemn folks to hell because they dont meet a certain standard. But it is hard not to put them all in one box when you see them writing and parading songs like "I'm a Pentecostal" by CLC.
Again, I sometimes wonder if there is a silent majority that does not think like this boisterous minority, but what puzzles me is why they remain silent when they are in the majority. I guess right now it would do me well to heed the quote at the bottom of all my posts:
"A common fallacy is the idea that the majority sets the pattern and the trends of social, economic, and religious life. History reveals quite the opposite: the majority copies or imitates the minority and this establishes the long-run developments and socio-economic evolutions." -Humphrey Neill
Well, for me it was very refreshing to me to hear/read LCS say the things she said. Evidently, she does not cower to social pressures of "fitting in" and speaks from her heart. I agree with her, some people would be surprised at who they see next to them in heaven...
I appreciate the UCs that believe as they do and do as they do simply because they do it unto the LORD and do not judge and condemn others that dont see it or do things the way they do... I would step up to bat and duke it out and defend all UCs and their standards if they collectively did not condemn and send to hell those that did not meet their standards...I respect anyone that does something because they want to do it unto the LORD. But I get stoked when some UCs (and sometimes I wonder if these UCs that get me stoked are the loud and boisterous minority among their group...maybe it would do me well to put on my and think better of the majority of that group )...anyway, as I was saying, I get stoked when they begin to condemn folks to hell because they dont meet a certain standard. But it is hard not to put them all in one box when you see them writing and parading songs like "I'm a Pentecostal" by CLC.
Again, I sometimes wonder if there is a silent majority that does not think like this boisterous minority, but what puzzles me is why they remain silent when they are in the majority. I guess right now it would do me well to heed the quote at the bottom of all my posts:
"A common fallacy is the idea that the majority sets the pattern and the trends of social, economic, and religious life. History reveals quite the opposite: the majority copies or imitates the minority and this establishes the long-run developments and socio-economic evolutions." -Humphrey Neill
Good post, J.
However, I think it would behoove us to remember that it works both ways.
For every staunch UC member who sends a liberal to hell, there is a vocal liberal who condemns the conservatives for their bondage. And yet, on both sides, the silent majority expresses tolerance for the other side.
Sadly enough, it's almost like the Civil War, when brothers fought brothers, and cousins fought cousins, etc. Neither side wanted to kill a brother, but their belief system was so indelibly ingrained in them that they were left no other choice - either kill the opposing soldier, or be branded a compromiser or enemy sympathizer.
It's just too bad that it has to be that way in some cases.........
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Well, for me it was very refreshing to me to hear/read LCS say the things she said. Evidently, she does not cower to social pressures of "fitting in" and speaks from her heart. I agree with her, some people would be surprised at who they see next to them in heaven...
I appreciate the UCs that believe as they do and do as they do simply because they do it unto the LORD and do not judge and condemn others that dont see it or do things the way they do... I would step up to bat and duke it out and defend all UCs and their standards if they collectively did not condemn and send to hell those that did not meet their standards...I respect anyone that does something because they want to do it unto the LORD. But I get stoked when some UCs (and sometimes I wonder if these UCs that get me stoked are the loud and boisterous minority among their group...maybe it would do me well to put on my and think better of the majority of that group )...anyway, as I was saying, I get stoked when they begin to condemn folks to hell because they dont meet a certain standard. But it is hard not to put them all in one box when you see them writing and parading songs like "I'm a Pentecostal" by CLC.
Again, I sometimes wonder if there is a silent majority that does not think like this boisterous minority, but what puzzles me is why they remain silent when they are in the majority. I guess right now it would do me well to heed the quote at the bottom of all my posts:
"A common fallacy is the idea that the majority sets the pattern and the trends of social, economic, and religious life. History reveals quite the opposite: the majority copies or imitates the minority and this establishes the long-run developments and socio-economic evolutions." -Humphrey Neill
JR....
Friendships and bonds are formed across these labels and in spite of them too and when that happens then you get to see the real person and realize there's more to people than the labels and how they're defined.
It's an eye opener and you come to realize and appreciate the individual for who they are and recognize that they too have the touch and hand of God upon them.
I'm so glad and so thankful that this is possible i.e. that we are able to form relationships & get to know people behind theological persuasions and where they fall on the lib to con scale.
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However, I think it would behoove us to remember that it works both ways.
For every staunch UC member who sends a liberal to hell, there is a vocal liberal who condemns the conservatives for their bondage. And yet, on both sides, the silent majority expresses tolerance for the other side.
Sadly enough, it's almost like the Civil War, when brothers fought brothers, and cousins fought cousins, etc. Neither side wanted to kill a brother, but their belief system was so indelibly ingrained in them that they were left no other choice - either kill the opposing soldier, or be branded a compromiser or enemy sympathizer.
It's just too bad that it has to be that way in some cases.........
Excellent analogy!!!!
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Good post, J.
However, I think it would behoove us to remember that it works both ways.
For every staunch UC member who sends a liberal to hell, there is a vocal liberal who condemns the conservatives for their bondage. And yet, on both sides, the silent majority expresses tolerance for the other side.
Sadly enough, it's almost like the Civil War, when brothers fought brothers, and cousins fought cousins, etc. Neither side wanted to kill a brother, but their belief system was so indelibly ingrained in them that they were left no other choice - either kill the opposing soldier, or be branded a compromiser or enemy sympathizer.
It's just too bad that it has to be that way in some cases.........
Thanks for the insight, MP...I agree with Pianoman regarding the Civil War analogy!
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JR....
Friendships and bonds are formed across these labels and in spite of them too and when that happens then you get to see the real person and realize there's more to people than the labels and how they're defined.
It's an eye opener and you come to realize and appreciate the individual for who they are and recognize that they too have the touch and hand of God upon them.
I'm so glad and so thankful that this is possible i.e. that we are able to form relationships & get to know people behind theological persuasions and where they fall on the lib to con scale.
I agree, Felicity. Wherever they fall on that scale, they're a brutha or sista to me. I would just love to see more of the vocal UCs continue believing strongly as they do without condemning folks to hell...it is at that level where all communication and dialogue breaks down. Without that element (hell) you can have good debate, but when you bring that into the equation then it becomes their ad hominem which is the last refuge of the failed argument.
I agree, Felicity. Wherever they fall on that scale, they're a brutha or sista to me. I would just love to see more of the vocal UCs continue believing strongly as they do without condemning folks to hell...it is at that level where all communication and dialogue breaks down. Without that element (hell) you can have good debate, but when you bring that into the equation then it becomes their ad hominem which is the last refuge of the failed argument.
Well, the way I look at it is that this is what they believe so they don't have any choice other than to make the judgment calls they make, but that doesn't make it right or true. So I can accept the person and love and appreciate them even though they believe someone like myself perhaps won't be saved.
I'm not relying on what other people say in regard to my salvation but on what the Word of God says.
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What's a person to do?....Not meaning to be rebellious, these people who don't agree with the standards, but can't leave, are at best misunderstood and at worst excommunicated. Any opinions from anyone? I've prayed Lord, please don't let me end up like the people in this story, but sometimes all of the mentioning of standards as being what makes us holy gets a little overwhelming in some churches. I want to keep "standards," but outward "standards" are not what make me holy. The beauty of holiness - in my opinion - is the beauty of being complete in Him - to have taken on His Spirit and bearing His fruits - not the fruits of long sleeves and no watches. Just my opinion. Please no attacks.
I attend a UPC church and don't follow standards. My opinion is that I will dress appropriately for church and church functions so as not to cause problems. What I wear to the store or to exercise is between me and God.
I attend a UPC church and don't follow standards. My opinion is that I will dress appropriately for church and church functions so as not to cause problems. What I wear to the store or to exercise is between me and God.
That's how I live and believe also.
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and think better of the majority of that group )...anyway, as I was saying, I get stoked when they begin to condemn folks to hell because they dont meet a certain standard. But it is hard not to put them all in one box when you see them writing and parading songs like "I'm a Pentecostal" by CLC.
and when that happens then you get to see the real person and realize there's more to people than the labels and how they're defined.
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