Has The UPCI Served It's Purpose.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

I hate to say it, but it is probably true that the best days are behind.

Hey bro. Can you explain this for me? Why do you say this? I was part of some of those best years so it's pertinent to me to understand your thinking here.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Garfield

Some would rather die fighting for truth than give in to the world.

Some would rather die fighting for ANYTHING...............and sometimes even truth!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Garfield

Has the UPCI served it's purpose and destined to fad into oblivion.
Will the Org. continue as a force in the church.

it's not the UPCI that serves or does not serve it's purpose. It's the licensed membership that does or does not, for whatever reason.

The UPCI stands for UNITED Pentecostal Church Incorporated and it is anything but united anymore.

Here in the WD this is all too true. We have a group of churchs within the WD that don't fellowship with churches they consider to be compromising...what constitutes compromise? As little as wearing a wedding band and allowing video (not TV nor Hollywood movies....just plain video of any sort)

It's so bad that they have gone against the directives of the WD board to NOT start their own campmeeting....

I remember LS preached a message "There is no such thing as Arab unity"...

As long as the Muslims don't have a common enemy to unite against they kill each other. This seems to be the same thing happening. You watch. These same people, when attacking the "compromisers" becomes passe` will start attacking each other.

One pastor is ok with listening to country music. Another is ok with sleeves to the elbow. It's nuts. Yes it has been like this for a while now, but I don't think it was always as divided as it is now....was it?

When they put in "not contending for our own views to the disunity of the body" way back then...was it anything like it is now? Did they contend to the disunity of the body?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

it's not the UPCI that serves or does not serve it's purpose. It's the licensed membership that does or does not, for whatever reason.

The UPCI stands for UNITED Pentecostal Church Incorporated and it is anything but united anymore.

Here in the WD this is all too true. We have a group of churchs within the WD that don't fellowship with churches they consider to be compromising...what constitutes compromise? As little as wearing a wedding band and allowing video (not TV nor Hollywood movies....just plain video of any sort)

It's so bad that they have gone against the directives of the WD board to NOT start their own campmeeting....

I remember LS preached a message "There is no such thing as Arab unity"...

As long as the Muslims don't have a common enemy to unite against they kill each other. This seems to be the same thing happening. You watch. These same people, when attacking the "compromisers" becomes passe` will start attacking each other.

One pastor is ok with listening to country music. Another is ok with sleeves to the elbow. It's nuts. Yes it has been like this for a while now, but I don't think it was always as divided as it is now....was it?

When they put in "not contending for our own views to the disunity of the body" way back then...was it anything like it is now? Did they contend to the disunity of the body?

Don't get me started, Prax!!! When that was put in there, there were differences of opinion as to when a person was saved. Even at that, they didn't turn their swords on each other! They were genuine, God loving Christians then. That is why they made such an impact, and why theyr'e not now, IMO!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Don't get me started, Prax!!! When that was put in there, there were differences of opinion as to when a person was saved. Even at that, they didn't turn their swords on each other! They were genuine, God loving Christians then. That is why they made such an impact, and why theyr'e not now, IMO!

I agree. I wonder though...what difference does it make if a person says you don't have to be baptised in jesus name to be saved but if you are disobedient to doing that then you probably aren't saved to begin with?

I mean...if a church is full of people that are baptized in Jesus name and filld with the Holy Ghost then what problem is it if that church does not teach baptism absolutely saves you?

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Hey bro. Can you explain this for me? Why do you say this? I was part of some of those best years so it's pertinent to me to understand your thinking here.

From what I see the UPC has gone down hill. Holiness is at an all time low, much of the preaching is shallow and vanilla. It's just not what it used to be.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

From what I see the UPC has gone down hill. Holiness is at an all time low, much of the preaching is shallow and vanilla. It's just not what it used to be.

What kind of Holiness? Part of the problem as I see it is "Holiness" became synonymous with outward standards and not with a genuine change of heart. It becomes frustrating to people to be classified as Holy by outward appearances when we knew certain folks were just not as Holy as they appeared....full of lying, thieving, hypocrisy......

Outward Holiness would have so much more a profound meaning if we did not do that.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Garfield

Can you imagine how large this church was to have nearly 40 men in the choir?

The church ran close to 900 in 1968. By late 1969 it was done and over. Split into 5 churches that all claim to be the original church.

Never be comfortable in what you do and have.

It could end the next day.

Nathan Eckstadt

[Neck]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Are we sure it's a choir?

This could have been a conference and these are ministers in attendance.

The Church ran almost 900 in 1968

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

The church ran close to 900 in 1968. By late 1969 it was done and over. Split into 5 churches that all claim to be the original church.

Never be comfortable in what you do and have.

It could end the next day.

Nathan Eckstadt

maybe that is God's doing.....the church all huddled around Jerusalem until the persecution came. Then they spread out. I don't think churches were ever meant to be large mega churches. I always felt they were supposed to start new, smaller works....train a man as a pastor....send him to other side of town with some families to start a new work