divine flesh and original sin - Page 9

Praxeas · #81 07-30-2007, 08:34 PM

Everyones a nitpicker....

#82 07-30-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The DF doctrine is a modern version of the ancient "heresy" of gnosticism. Basically, "God" is too pure and holy to have anything to do with this world, and so, when God became man He wasn't really a man, but just appeared to be.

All of the details were worked out in Neo-Platonic language that led to, among other things, the doctrine of the Trinity, etc.

Now, just IMHO: this current forum debate seems to involve the attempt by us all to use modern scientific knowledge and interweave it with the doctrines of the ancients. When you do this you end up corrupting science and making a mess of ancient wisdom. (And FWIW I also knew KR and am familiar with his thoughts on the incarnation).

How about this: the Virgin Birth of Christ was an example of parthenogenesis. Partheno= virgin; Genesis=birth or beginning.

When some "lower" animals like sharks are segregated by zoo keepers to control their numbers, inevitably a female will produce offspring without the usual sexual reproduction.

This has never been observed in mammals or humans, so when the event did occur in antiquity it was observed to be "miraculous." Mary's gamete with its 23 completely human chromosomes spontaneously differentiated and produced a growing embryo with each cell having 46 chromosomes.

Where did the "other" 23 come from? They also "came from" Mary. This is a process that has been observed clinically 1,000's of times - just not involving humans as I said. There is something remarkably complex about the way human cells differentiate that we are only beginning to understand. Of course, in the case of miraculous human parthenogenesis we may never really understand it all.

Shhhhhhhhh! Quiet!

We can afford to have anyone actually thinking much less thinking out of the box.

Let 'em keep believing in Holy Ghost sperm.

Praxeas · #83 07-30-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Shhhhhhhhh! Quiet!

We can afford to have anyone actually thinking much less thinking out of the box.

Let 'em keep believing in Holy Ghost sperm.

I hope you are kidding, other wise this shows you really don't understand what is being said, or Divine Flesh for that matter.

SDG · #84 07-30-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I hope you are kidding, other wise this shows you really don't understand what is being said, or Divine Flesh for that matter.

Once again, Elder Strange, we need to told what the conclusions should be.

Your just not plugged into the Borg, is all.

Praxeas · #85 07-30-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Once again, Elder Strange, we need to told what the conclusions should be.

Your just not plugged into the Borg, is all.

Please show me where I mentioned a conclusion that was his or anyone elses in that post.

#86 07-30-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is such a typical logical fallacy. Brother, that's twice you have put words into someone elses mouth to suggest they believe the Holy Ghost and Mary had sex....NOBODY said that.

Please note:

It was stated with the purpose of getting the projectors of their fallacious ideas to state exactly what they do mean.

So far, the best I can get is that the Holy Ghost created some sperm and impregnated Mary.

But that is only extreme conjecture. In fact, that is such a far stretch that it would be far easier to believe that the angel put Joseph to sleep and performed artificial insemination.

I am a believer in KR doctrine of the incarnation. It is the only plausible, entirely scriptural which certainly give God great glory as the Word is unveiled in his teaching.

SDG · #87 07-30-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please show me where I mentioned a conclusion that was his or anyone elses in that post.

You asserted that Elder Strange doesn't possess your understanding of divine flesh, Praxeas ... which takes to my original premise in my first thread ....

I know you are in the business of Apologetics ... I just want to know who and what you're sorry for .

SDG · #88 07-30-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Please note:

It was stated with the purpose of getting the projectors of their fallacious ideas to state exactly what they do mean.

So far, the best I can get is that the Holy Ghost created some sperm and impregnated Mary.

But that is only extreme conjecture. In fact, that is such a far stretch that it would be far easier to believe that the angel put Joseph to sleep and performed artificial insemination.

I am a believer in KR doctrine of the incarnation. It is the only plausible, entirely scriptural which certainly give God great glory as the Word is unveiled in his teaching.

That's exactly the divine blood/sperm doctrine that the Elder has expounded on here on several occasions .... with scriptural support .... and his classic "read and weep" line.

#89 07-30-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Once again, Elder Strange, we need to told what the conclusions should be.

Your just not plugged into the Borg, is all.

...or not breathing nitrous oxide.

Praxeas · #90 07-30-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Please note:

It was stated with the purpose of getting the projectors of their fallacious ideas to state exactly what they do mean.

So far, the best I can get is that the Holy Ghost created some sperm and impregnated Mary.

But that is only extreme conjecture. In fact, that is such a far stretch that it would be far easier to believe that the angel put Joseph to sleep and performed artificial insemination.

I am a believer in KR doctrine of the incarnation. It is the only plausible, entirely scriptural which certainly give God great glory as the Word is unveiled in his teaching.

Was there a set of male chromosomes involved or was all the genetic material from Mary?