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08-13-2019, 08:35 AM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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BCsenior, in a great number of places in the Gospels, we see Jesus and the Father interacting as "persons," i.e., speaking to each other, loving each other, etc. But I am not aware of any examples where we see the Father and the Holy Spirit relating in the same way. Do you have examples of this relationship?
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Good point. I brought up your thought in my post.
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08-13-2019, 01:59 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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Good point. I brought up your thought in my post.
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Since we don't see the Father and the Holy Spirit interact like the Father and Son interact, it seems obvious that any personal interactions we observe are the result of the incarnation and not the supposed trinitarian nature of God.
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08-13-2019, 03:06 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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Rev 1:11 ... Jesus
Rev 21:6 ... Father God
Rev 22:13 ... Jesus
I perceive that your biggest problem is ...
you don't understand/accept that Jesus was both God and man.
John 1:1-14 ... the Word (God) became flesh (Jesus).
And we know that Jesus was also a human being (with flesh and blood).
We know He ate and drank, but my problem is:
the word never says He went to the bathroom!
Woe is me, for I am undone!
How are we doing so far?
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08-13-2019, 04:53 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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BCsenior, in a great number of places in the Gospels, we see Jesus and the Father interacting as "persons," i.e., speaking to each other, loving each other, etc. But I am not aware of any examples where we see the Father and the Holy Spirit relating in the same way. Do you have examples of this relationship?
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Excellent question
No, I don't recall any, but of course that doesn't mean there aren't any.
Methinks you need to peruse all those NT verses AGAIN
where all Three Persons/Manifestations of the Godhead
are mentioned in each verse ... as if They are equals !
How can THREE Persons all be ONE Person?
Easy ... In some people's minds ! ... That's how.
In John, I see the Father sending the Holy Spirit,
so at least They do communicate!
Regardless, I see the Holy Spirit as the Workhorse of the Godhead
... the Three do have different functions.
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08-13-2019, 05:02 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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... why are there never conversations with Jesus with the Holy Ghost?
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Primarily because the Holy Spirit was sent to replace Jesus,
who was going to ascend to the Father in heaven.
The olde switcheroo trick.
John 14:16 ... Jesus said:
The Father would be sending the Holy Spirit who was "another" Helper !
"another" (Gr. "allos": another of the same kind).
Jesus was God, and so was the Holy Spirit.
And let's not forget Father God.
We either believe the NT, or we don't.
John 1:1,14 ... God the Word became flesh (Jesus).
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08-13-2019, 05:45 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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Since we don't see the Father and the Holy Spirit interact like the Father and Son interact, it seems obvious that any personal interactions we observe are the result of the incarnation and not the supposed trinitarian nature of God.
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Very good
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08-13-2019, 05:53 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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Excellent question
No, I don't recall any, but of course that doesn't mean there aren't any.
Methinks you need to peruse all those NT verses AGAIN
where all Three Persons/Manifestations of the Godhead
are mentioned in each verse ... as if They are equals !
How can THREE Persons all be ONE Person?
Easy ... In some people's minds ! ... That's how.
In John, I see the Father sending the Holy Spirit,
so at least They do communicate!
Regardless, I see the Holy Spirit as the Workhorse of the Godhead
... the Three do have different functions.
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Where in the Bible does it say the Holy Ghost is a horse?
BC you make it up as you go along? The Father sent the Holy Ghost so they did communicate? Where does it say the God 1 sent God 3 Well, I hope this teaches everyone a lesson. Trinitarians believe in a God Squad. Three gods sending each other to and fro about the earth.
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08-13-2019, 06:22 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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God the Holy Spirit ... Work-horse
... NOT to be praised/worshipped/thanked
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You are not orthodox in your Trinitarianism. The Holy Spirit, if co-equal, co-eternal, and co-powerful to God the Father and the Son of God, is therefore deserving of all of the same praise, worship, and gratitude as God the Father and the Son of God.
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08-13-2019, 06:23 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
BC Senior,
Why do you use non-Scriptural terminology like "Father God", "God the Son", and "God the Holy Spirit"?
Why not rather use "God the Father", "Son of God", and "Holy Spirit"?
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08-13-2019, 08:42 PM
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Re: NT verses about who Jesus was/is
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You are not orthodox in your Trinitarianism. The Holy Spirit, if co-equal, co-eternal, and co-powerful to God the Father and the Son of God, is therefore deserving of all of the same praise, worship, and gratitude as God the Father and the Son of God.
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I think BCsenior is not a traditional trinitarian. He seems confused about Trinitarianism and I don't blame him. I think he should just join a Oneness church  .
BCsenior: https://www.upci.org/resources/locat...urch/text-only
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