If You Sin Are You Lost Until You Repent?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Costeon

I will always have needs for which I need God's provision. And so will always pray for it.

You always, every single day, lack daily bread? When you woke up this morning you had no daily bread available to you How do you afford internet?

Of course, a person can not be sinning at any one moment. But no person, besides Jesus Christ who was without sin, flawlessly carries out God's Word.

If they are without sin for one moment, are they "flawlessly carrying out God's Word" in that moment? What do you mean by "flawlessly"?

I suspect definitions and premises and claims are shifting in this thread...

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Costeon

Thank you very much for this answer. This was the kind of response I was looking for.

So you were searching for Martin Luther reformed theology... Thats the correct answer. Not just a simple yes or no though, ok... So reformed theology with a bunch of explaining away how "we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", and how God will make an exception for you because you have the VIP pass?

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I suspect definitions and premises and claims are shifting in this thread...

Sounds like the hair thread all over again.. Lol

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Costeon

Gal. 5.19-21.

Did Jesus get angry with people? Did he get involved in any kind of "strife" with anyone? Did He ever quarrel with anyone?

Define your terms, please.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Costeon

So in other words, the moment you fail in any way you think you are going to hell?

I think your question misses the point.
It's like saying how much can I get away with rather than guarding your heart.

• Psalm 51 create in me a clean heart and renew a right spirit
• Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So you were searching for Martin Luther reformed theology... Thats the correct answer. Not just a simple yes or no though, ok... So reformed theology with a bunch of explaining away how "we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", and how God will make an exception for you because you have the VIP pass?

No. I was referring to the style of the answer. He gave a yes-no answer with scriptural support.

Martin Lutheran was not Reformed. He was, well, Lutheran.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

So you were searching for Martin Luther reformed theology... Thats the correct answer. Not just a simple yes or no though, ok... So reformed theology with a bunch of explaining away how "we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", and how God will make an exception for you because you have the VIP pass?

That's not even Martin Luther's Reformed theology. It's a hybrid evangelical doctrine. Its a mix of Calvinism and Arminianism, buffet style. Choose your own adventure, aka a MadLib.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Costeon

So in other words, the moment you fail in any way you think you are going to hell?

This is the real agenda. I told you hear come the catch all "so you say, I'm going to hell" phrase. Which I've also seen now a statement that is saying in essence "you saying that's a sin?" Which now that all the stops have been pulled out, and the agenda has been revealed, which on other threads I've spoken in detail about this "agenda" what it truly is; this is a roller coaster down hill from here.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Costeon

No. I was referring to the style of the answer. He gave a yes-no answer with scriptural support.

Martin Lutheran was not Reformed. He was, well, Lutheran.

Luther wasn't Reformed?

I'm sure all the Reformed guys will be interested to hear more about this.

But anyway, what about those who said "There is no yes or no simple answer" and gave Scriptural support?

Here, try this: If "yes" then salvation is a game of musical chairs, or is based on works, or is graceless, or (insert whatever). If "no" then salvation is guaranteed, OSAS, can't fall away and be lost in any circumstance.

Two extremes. Thus, a false dilemma. Thus, not a yes or no answer.

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by Esaias

If they are without sin for one moment, are they "flawlessly carrying out God's Word" in that moment? What do you mean by "flawlessly"?

I suspect definitions and premises and claims are shifting in this thread...

Flawlessly: Without flaw. Perfect.

If you have been born of again of water and Spirit and are living by faith, but at some moment fail to carry out one of God's command, are you no longer saved at that moment?