Is this too much compromise? - Page 9

1ofthechosen · #81 07-11-2018, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Okay...

Btw the top one you keep alluding to is taken out of context that says:
Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen View Post
I read it on his own website, he mightve well said it. It represents him and the church he Pastors.

I said that in response to this mischaracterizion you sent.

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"I wuzn't talkin' about him! I wuz just talkin' about what he believes, which isn't really about him per se, it wuz just his thinking process which is kind of removed from the person 'cause I read it and didn't hear him say it and all that kind of stuff. Okay. "

So please stop misrepresenting me. You are the one who even said anything about this guy at all. Anybody can scroll back and see that. Stop playing the victim, all this could've been avoided and I was trying to keep him out of it that's why I copied and pasted it and didn't send the link. After you said what you said they might as well look at the link, so I showed it.

Stop making this out to be a personal attack on this man. This is a attack on compromise and false doctrine, not on him. You are the one who placed him in that car so good job.

But please stop talking about the personal aspect of this, this conversation is not meant to be about that. Thank you and God Bless.

BuckeyeBukaroo · #82 07-11-2018, 11:58 AM

Isn't this a situation where the Pastor was once affiliated but the church was never affiliated in the first place?

I have run into these types before. They really do believe that a person can be saved at the point of confession and faith. They are very passionate about the new believer's, "NEXT STEPS" which will almost always include biblical teaching on what it means to repent, water baptism in the Name of Jesus and the doctrine concerning being filled with the Holy Spirit.

These folks USUALLY do not hold fast to the idea of full salvation in our Apostolic sense.

This doesn't mean they aren't good people. They're just not Apostolic.

Pressing-On · #83 07-11-2018, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

But please stop talking about the personal aspect of this, this conversation is not meant to be about that. Thank you and God Bless.

It is personal to me and it is personal to his church.

In 33 years, I have been in a huge, ugly church split and have been under pastors who have committed adultery, pastors who treated people with no respect or love, took money from the church that didn't belong to them, etc.

These people who have criticized RJ better get their house in order first. They need to stop making excuses for these atrocities. They have no right as HE has never DONE any of these things. His church has never split, he has never committed adultery and he has not taken things that do not belong to him.

That is why it is personal to me. I also happen to personally know that he preaches and believes Acts 2:38.

When he came to Austin and took that church, the Lord spoke to me and said, "He will have more than what he left behind." That has come to pass. He is honest and blessed.

WORD!

Esaias · #84 07-11-2018, 12:07 PM

Being a good and nice person doesn't mean one's website is accurate, apostolic, or even mildly informative...

BuckeyeBukaroo · #85 07-11-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by n david

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The HG becomes just some "spiritual gift" to "empower" the believer, rather than a necessary part of the new birth.

I've yet to find a church which dropped standards and has kept a strong new birth belief.

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

Bingo.
For some reason these are linked together.

The other side's criticisms on this subject is that our presentation of salvation is actually "works based" and clearly stated "clothesline" standards are just the icing on the cake of a legalistic and therefore false gospel.

1ofthechosen · #86 07-11-2018, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It is personal to me and it is personal to his church.

In 33 years, I have been in a huge, ugly church split and have been under pastors who have committed adultery, pastors who treated people with no respect or love, took money from the church that didn't belong to them, etc.

These people who have criticized RJ better get their house in order first. They need to stop making excuses for these atrocities. They have no right as HE has never DONE any of these things. His church has never split, he has never committed adultery and he has not taken things that do not belong to him.

That is why it is personal to me. I also happen to personally know that he preaches and believes Acts 2:38.

When he came to Austin and took that church, the Lord spoke to me and said, "He will have more than what he left behind." That has come to pass. He is honest and blessed.

WORD!

No one even even alluded that this wasn't the case. Hey I'm sorry you took this personally because of that I apologise to you. This wasn't ever intended to be taken that way. Please forgive me.

I want to be clear I don't apologize for the truth, but I do apologize for offending you. I want to make that clear as possible.

n david · #87 07-11-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It is personal to me and it is personal to his church.

Respectfully, the OP wasn't personal. The Pastor and church wasn't even known until you made them known. That isn't the OP's fault.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

In 33 years, I have been in a huge, ugly church split and have been under pastors who have committed adultery, pastors who treated people with no respect or love, took money from the church that didn't belong to them, etc.

These people who have criticized RJ better get their house in order first. They need to stop making excuses for these atrocities. They have no right as HE has never DONE any of these things. His church has never split, he has never committed adultery and he has not taken things that do not belong to him.

This has nothing to do with the OP or thread. Again, the only one making this personal is you with your continued references to the pastor and church.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I also happen to personally know that he preaches and believes Acts 2:38.

Then why not state their belief in the new birth plan of salvation? If you believe and preach it as the biblical plan of salvation, it should be in the SOF for salvation. Instead salvation is "We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ: His death, burial, and resurrection. Salvation is a gift from God, not a result of our good works or of any human efforts."

The part in bold I've read on more than one trinitarian, charismatic church SOF.

"Given at Pentecost, it is the promise of the Father, sent by Jesus after His Ascension, to empower the Church to preach the Gospel throughout the whole earth. The Holy Spirit is manifested through a variety of spiritual gifts to build and sanctify the church, demonstrate the validity of the resurrection, and confirm the power of the Gospel."

Sounds like a shiny new toy, not a necessary part of new birth salvation.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

When he came to Austin and took that church, the Lord spoke to me and said, "He will have more than what he left behind." That has come to pass. He is honest and blessed.

Again, nothing to do with the OP.

Pressing-On · #88 07-11-2018, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

No one even even alluded that this wasn't the case. Hey I'm sorry you took this personally because of that I apologise to you. This wasn't ever intended to be taken that way. Please forgive me.

I want to be clear I don't apologize for the truth, but I do apologize for offending you. I want to make that clear as possible.

I apologize to you as well. I hear it enough outside of AFF. Just tired of hearing it when I know him personally.

aegsm76 · #89 07-11-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

The other side's criticisms on this subject is that our presentation of salvation is actually "works based" and clearly stated "clothesline" standards are just the icing on the cake of a legalistic and therefore false gospel.

Every church has "standards".
Whenever I get in those discussions, they quickly admit that.
They just don't like our standards.

aegsm76 · #90 07-11-2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I apologize to you as well. I hear it enough outside of AFF. Just tired of hearing it when I know him personally.

PO - I know that he still preaches that Acts 2:38 (and more after) doctrine.
However, I have seen too many head down that road to not worry about where the church winds up.
I know he is doing what be believes is right, but I am not sure that it is.