Trump on the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom

[n david]

But of course, now that I posted the poll which proves my point, you don't want to accept it.

smh

You whine about there not being a poll, then when it's posted you whine about it not proving anything, when it does.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You have no way to prove I'm lying.

Of course I do! Anyone can read what I posted and then see what you fabricated and falsely claimed I stated.

You're just a two bit, lying hack who's hatred is such that you can't bear to admit you were wrong.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by n david

But of course, now that I posted the poll which proves my point, you don't want to accept it.

smh

You whine about there not being a poll, then when it's posted you whine about it not proving anything, when it does.

The poll only showed that Trump supporters see immigration issues as paramount. That does not constitute racism or animus against Hispanics and Latinos, much less a desire to kick them out over their race. Thus your point was not proven. You continue to be a self deluded legend in your own mind over your debating skills.

[n david]

I'm done for now. I have actual work to do. Some of us have a job and can't spend all day in the basement watching Trump speeches as you do.

But I do have something I've been working on and hopefully soon will be finished to post. It exposes your lie that there aren't many, many white nationalist Trump supporters.

You're going to hate it, but facts are facts, and they don't care about your feelings. You don't like how white nationalists and racists love Trump, you should support a candidate who doesn't use anti-Semitic phrases and has policies white nationalists love.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The poll only showed that Trump supporters see immigration issues as paramount. That does not constitute racism or animus against Hispanics and Latinos, much less a desire to kick them out over their race. Thus your point was not proven.

You're an idiot.

Originally Posted by n david

About this whining over the term "Hispanics and Latinos:" don't play stupid and pretend to be offended. Mexico and Latin American countries contribute the most illegal immigrants. You know this. You're blowing it out of proportion and making a big deal over something you already know and cannot argue against.

It doesn't matter if I would have stated "all Trumpsters care about is nationalism and Trump kicking out illegals and building a Trump wall," the message is the same. It's all they care about.

They don't care that Trump isn't conservative. They don't care his waffling on gun rights, abortion, first amendment rights. None of that matters to most of Trump supporters.

""But all Trumpsters care about is nationalism and Trump kicking out Hispanics and Latinos and building a Trump wall.""

The poll reflects my quote. You want to split hairs, whatever. You know the majority of illegals come from South of the border. Or maybe you're just that stupid, I don't know.

[n david]

Trump is loved and celebrated by many white nationalist groups, racists, and anti-semites. They call Trump, "the Great White Hope."

It's more than I originally thought.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by n david

Again, singling me out and not taking issue with 0's attacks shows your bias and gives you zero credibility.

You make it appear as though 0 is some innocent party to the arguments, while I'm the mean one.

0 has had it coming for a long time. His condescending insults have continued and built up over time. Once he fabricated a false quote and refused to admit it was wrong, you bet I came out swinging. I'm sick of it. He's dishonest and a liar.

nd - lol, this is your typical method of attack.
I am trying to gently urge you to act more "Christ-like" in your responses and you resort to a personal attack on me.
It is funny and sad at the same time.
"Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

nd - lol, this is your typical method of attack.
I am trying to gently urge you to act more "Christ-like" in your responses and you resort to a personal attack on me.

If stating the obvious is considered a personal attack, whatever. What I'm pointing out is you didn't do the same for the other person, who has posted insult after insult against me. Why not? Why only come at me?

Why ignore the plethora of 0's insults spanning multiple threads over the past couple months. It's so bad with him that he can't post a thread without making some kind of insult. In the same past couple months, there's been more than once where I've tried being nice in spite of his snide, condescend insults.

But you ignored him and only spoke against me.

Do you not understand how I could view that as bias? That isn't a personal attack, that's stating the obvious.

You said you and 0 had argued before. What if I had butted in the argument, singled you out and ignored his bad behavior?

I doubt you'd be posting Scripture and happy about it.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by n david

First, read my full quote...not just the one part Lyin' 0 keeps whining about. You're showing your bias doing that.


There are three things:
1. Nationalism
2. Deportation
3. Wall

0, and you, want to focus on the one, due to how I wrote it.

69% of Trumpsters view immigrants as a "burden" (note, this appears to also include legal immigrants, as the poll also asks about "undocumented."

52% Trump supporters want deportation of undocumented immigrants

42% of Trump supporters want a "national law enforcement effort" for deportation of undocumented immigrants.

84% of Trumpsters want a wall

http://www.people-press.org/files/20...-release-1.pdf

nd - hey guess what, I found statistics that show the 69% are right.
http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households
snippet
he average household headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) costs taxpayers $6,234 in federal welfare benefits, which is 41 percent higher than the $4,431 received by the average native household.
So, Trump supporters are right.

Now let's go back to your original point.
I see nothing from this poll to prove your contention.
If you stated that Trump supporters are more likely to want to deport illegal immigrants than others, this would be correct.
However, not even the majority of Trump supporters support an active deportation of illegal immigrants, much less all Hispanics and Latinos.

Can you clarify what you meant by your statement?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by n david

If stating the obvious is considered a personal attack, whatever. What I'm pointing out is you didn't do the same for the other person, who has posted insult after insult against me. Why not? Why only come at me?

Why ignore the plethora of 0's insults spanning multiple threads over the past couple months. It's so bad with him that he can't post a thread without making some kind of insult. In the same past couple months, there's been more than once where I've tried being nice in spite of his snide, condescend insults.

But you ignored him and only spoke against me.

Do you not understand how I could view that as bias? That isn't a personal attack, that's stating the obvious.

You said you and 0 had argued before. What if I had butted in the argument, singled you out and ignored his bad behavior?

I doubt you'd be posting Scripture and happy about it.

"show your bias" "zero credibility"
That is what I mean by attacks.
There is a way to dialogue, without attacking the person