Why lie about Hitler?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

No matter what, they are beloved of God for the father's sake. If Paul was willing to wish himself accursed in order to see them saved, regardless of whatever individual or even collective evil any Jew in the world has perpetrated, he or she or they are still beloved for the fathers' sake (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

We might blame them for any number of sins, but if their sin is abounding, isn't the grace of God abounding much more? If a collective number of Jewish people come to faith in Christ, isn't it "life from the dead", and is much more glorious?

So why center all the "evil of the Jews". Why not implore the same Lord who is rich in mercy over all, to daily save as many as should be saved?

So, if Israel had to keep extensive genealogies in order to know who married who, who gave birth to who, then it isn't a DNA situation correct?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

No matter what, they are beloved of God for the father's sake. If Paul was willing to wish himself accursed in order to see them saved, regardless of whatever individual or even collective evil any Jew in the world has perpetrated, he or she or they are still beloved for the fathers' sake (i.e. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

We might blame them for any number of sins, but if their sin is abounding, isn't the grace of God abounding much more? If a collective number of Jewish people come to faith in Christ, isn't it "life from the dead", and is much more glorious?

So why center all the "evil of the Jews". Why not implore the same Lord who is rich in mercy over all, to daily save as many as should be saved?

I think you are confusing Israel with 'the Jews'.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think you are confusing Israel with 'the Jews'.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

talk about it brother. They are Jews because they adopted the religion. They are not in anyway other than religion connected to the real Israel. Rev 3:9 is the prefect scripture to sum these people up. And whats even more frustrating is these Godless people capitalize on the "support Israel and be blessed." uneducated christians.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think you are confusing Israel with 'the Jews'.

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and ARE NOT, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and ARE NOT, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Why did you red the ARE NOT part? These European Jews arent semetic jews at all.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Why did you red the ARE NOT part? These European Jews arent semetic jews at all.

I just have to say that baby in your avatar looks like him do NOT like his oatmeal mush!

lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I just have to say that baby in your avatar looks like him do NOT like his oatmeal mush!

lol

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Originalist

As a Christian I agree. But secular nations are not bound scripturally to allow themselves to be abused by any group, even God's chosen people.

Yes, but what we have to do with judging them that are without?

We don't entangle ourselves with the affairs of this life so we can be good soldiers onto Him who called us.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So John was getting a history lesson?

I think John was getting a cosmic view of the universe through the eyes of God so as to show how the Son of God is the center of All Things. It is an apocalypse, after all, or a specific literary genre common to the Jewish people around the time of the birth of Messiah, in which the invisible struggles between good and evil and the people caught in between are explained in images and symbols almost too grand for the human mind to comprehend.

It just happens that John's Revelation of Jesus Christ is inspired. And what he saw he wrote, and in Revelation 12, I think he saw the part of the cosmic struggle between good and evil (i.e. God and Satan) in which the Son finally comes to earth through His symbolic mother, the nation of Israel.

"Out of Egypt I have called my, Son" is both a reference to Israel and to Jesus. The references to "My servant" in Isaiah likewise have dual meanings.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

I think John was getting a cosmic view of the universe through the eyes of God so as to show how the Son of God is the center of All Things. It is an apocalypse, after all, or a specific literary genre common to the Jewish people around the time of the birth of Messiah, in which the invisible struggles between good and evil and the people caught in between are explained in images and symbols almost too grand for the human mind to comprehend.

It just happens that John's Revelation of Jesus Christ is inspired. And what he saw he wrote, and in Revelation 12, I think he saw the part of the cosmic struggle between good and evil (i.e. God and Satan) in which the Son finally comes to earth through His symbolic mother, the nation of Israel.

"Out of Egypt I have called my, Son" is both a reference to Israel and to Jesus. The references to "My servant" in Isaiah likewise have dual meanings.

Whats your thoughts on REv 3:9?