Determining which biblical laws apply today.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

We have several good friends who are Sabbath keepers. One family keeps it religiously to the point that they will bring something from home with them if they leave because they don't want to be disobedient in any way to the laws found in the OT. The other family just believes in the rest part - simply resting, and spending time in the Word, both with family and friends, and they don't even try to apply any of the other restrictions found taught about the Sabbath throughout the OT, except just to follow the "rest" part.

The main problem that I see with those keeping the Sabbath is that usually they are not content to just maintain the Sabbath themselves, but seem to want to convince everyone else to do the same. It is that mindset that I have a problem with. If you are going to do it - fine, wonderful - but continue to do it unto the Lord, and not think that everyone else around you should do it as well.

Are you content with not worshipping idols? Or do try to push that rejection of idol-worship on people around you? Do you think that everyone around you ought to avoid idol-worship? Or are you content with just keeping it between you and God?

[Aquila]

Just love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself... and you've obeyed the spiritual law that fulfills it all:

Romans 13:8-10 (ESV)
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God cares more about people and how we treat them than the day we set aside to worship Him. Truth be told, we should set aside time to worship Him EVERYDAY. That's what love would do.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Just love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself... and you've obeyed the spiritual law that fulfills it all:

Romans 13:8-10 (ESV)
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

God cares more about people and how we treat them than the day we set aside to worship Him. Truth be told, we should set aside time to worship Him EVERYDAY. That's what love would do.

Exactly.

Mat 23:23 KJV Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Pro 21:3 KJV To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

1Sa 15:22 KJV And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

I believe that's a 7th Day Adventists doctrine: similar to the doctrine that "speaking in
tongues is of the devil", by some Baptist denoms.

Yes.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Are you content with not worshipping idols? Or do try to push that rejection of idol-worship on people around you? Do you think that everyone around you ought to avoid idol-worship? Or are you content with just keeping it between you and God?

I understand what you are trying to do here - to equate the 10 commandments as a standard that one live by, even when Paul stated several times that the Law can be summed up in one commandment :
Gal. 5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

We believe that we need to keep the 10 commandments to the best of our ability through the spirit that worketh within us, including the Sabbath. The Sabbath rest comes to us by resting in Christ, whose righteousness we must put on, and not our own. Hebrews 4 We have rested from our works, even as the Lord God rested on Sabbath, and realize that the works that we do must be done through the Spirit of Jesus Christ within us, and not our fleshly efforts. In this way, we keep all 10 commandments.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I understand what you are trying to do here - to equate the 10 commandments as a standard that one live by, even when Paul stated several times that the Law can be summed up in one commandment :
Gal. 5:14 "For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

We believe that we need to keep the 10 commandments to the best of our ability through the spirit that worketh within us, including the Sabbath. The Sabbath rest comes to us by resting in Christ, whose righteousness we must put on, and not our own. Hebrews 4 We have rested from our works, even as the Lord God rested on Sabbath, and realize that the works that we do must be done through the Spirit of Jesus Christ within us, and not our fleshly efforts. In this way, we keep all 10 commandments.

AMEN.
"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

[Scott Pitta]

As per the original post, Christ spoke of the law of Moses as a single code. To him, there was only one law. It was not divided into sections.

John Calvin was the guy who divided the law of Moses into moral, ritual and any other section.

All of the law of Moses is fulfilled. No one is obligated to follow it.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta

As per the original post, Christ spoke of the law of Moses as a single code. To him, there was only one law. It was not divided into sections.

John Calvin was the guy who divided the law of Moses into moral, ritual and any other section.

All of the law of Moses is fulfilled. No one is obligated to follow it.

I agree with this. The law became fulfilled in Christ, and now the spirit of Christ within us can do what the law could not do.

Romans 8:3-4 "For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the spirit."

[mfblume]

Am,en, Scott. And the whole point of reference to Law in the epistles is to show that resorting to rule books to cause ourselves to do good and avoid evil is "walking after the flesh." People think of murdering and stealing and fornicating when they read "walk not after the flesh." That's not the issue at all. It is serving God through oldness of the Letter. Rom 7:6. And when we try to do that, we fail miserably.

That is how Law was a lesson to people that they NEED CHRIST and the GIFT of righteousness. And they need HIS SPIRIT in them to empower them to do good and avoid evil.

So many miss the entire point of reference to Law.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Am,en, Scott. And the whole point of reference to Law in the epistles is to show that resorting to rule books to cause ourselves to do good and avoid evil is "walking after the flesh." People think of murdering and stealing and fornicating when they read "walk not after the flesh." That's not the issue at all. It is serving God through oldness of the Letter. Rom 7:6. And when we try to do that, we fail miserably.

That is how Law was a lesson to people that they NEED CHRIST and the GIFT of righteousness. And they need HIS SPIRIT in them to empower them to do good and avoid evil.

So many miss the entire point of reference to Law.