QUESTION: Did This UPC pastor Steal Money from the church?? you decide

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I'm not a pastor so I don't worry about a church paying me.
Seriously I thought churches boards and such to keep pastors honest in their money dealings when it comes to church monies.

Scott, the primary financial paradigm of the UPC is that the pastor gets the tithes. The pastor makes all the financial decisions and answers to no one. In MANY churches, the pastor gets ALL tithes and the bills are paid out of offerings and tithes if the pastor is so inclined.

[StillStanding]

The problem I see with this situation is if the $800,000 was designated to a building fund, SFC offering, etc.

About 25 years ago, I was at a church that had a very popular and active single young man about 20 years old, get killed in a motorcycle accident. The idea was made to raise money for a flagpole to be erected as a memorial. Lots of people gave, and it was in the thousands that was raised.

Well, the flagpole was never built, and nobody really knows what happened to the money!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Scott, the primary financial paradigm of the UPC is that the pastor gets the tithes. The pastor makes all the financial decisions and answers to no one. In MANY churches, the pastor gets ALL tithes and the bills are paid out of offerings and tithes if the pastor is so inclined.

That's right! Pastors don't need some carnal board telling them what to do with the money!

[Scott Hutchinson]

At my church MOW and our mutual friend Pastor B knows my pastor ,all of the tithes don't go to him.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

At my church MOW and our mutual friend Pastor B knows my pastor ,all of the tithes don't go to him.

The PRIMARY function of our church board is to set my salary. They have NEVER wanted to keep me poor. I trust these men and they trust me. However, we are not above questioning each other and they are NOT a "yes" board. That keeps me accountable. If the trust level is high, church boards are NOT a threat.

Originally Posted by Thad

but let's be fair.
we always talk about the charismatics stealing from the church do we not?
we have to be honest when it's our own too shouldn't we ????

We shouldn't be talking about ANY of them, we should be praying for them. But that's never stopped anyone before.

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Brother Thad we need to pray for him.Souls are on the line with all this going on.
Jesus would have us to pray.This man is in alot of trouble and he is our brother.
Lets pray he does not try to end his life.People do stupid things all the time.

Jesus help Brother David Lord.Help him to turn to you with all of his heart.Help him to be honest and face whatever is ahead.You see his failures.You see his faults.
You know his heart.Help this church family Jesus that people are not lost because
of the bad witness of this thing.In Jesus Name.Let all that was done in darkness be revealed and you get the Glory out of this bad situation.

AMEN!!

Originally Posted by Thad

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I am Hearing that pastors are having him come to their churches
and raising Big Offerings for him to pay this off ??? No????

If it's true , what do you think of this ????.

What if it's not true? Did you ever think about that?

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I imagine he'll keep his license, HQ will wink, grin and look the other way and he'll be back pastoring in a few years somewhere else.

Sad that this happens, but it does. Probably more often than we know.

[Theresa]

Originally Posted by Forgiven

We shouldn't be talking about ANY of them, we should be praying for them. But that's never stopped anyone before.



AMEN!!



What if it's not true? Did you ever think about that?



Sad that this happens, but it does. Probably more often than we know.

but lets not talk about it - lets pray for them (HQ)

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

I don't think a pastor needs a 5 bedroom home unless he has at least 4 kids.

What makes them think they need a lavish lifestyle?

Nothing makes them feel that other than to have the large home to entertain guests and have visiting ministers. Plus they feel they have worked hard enough to deserve it. I do not have a problem with any pastor being taken care of, but there is always in excess issue it seems. I think they should drive the best and live in the best, but not steal from the cash cow called the church.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Nothing makes them feel that other than to have the large home to entertain guests and have visiting ministers. Plus they feel they have worked hard enough to deserve it. I do not have a problem with any pastor being taken care of, but there is always in excess issue it seems. I think they should drive the best and live in the best, but not steal from the cash cow called the church.

So a limo, Rolls Royce, or Bentley is too much for them to haul and impress their buddies?

[Theresa]

if you google pastor takes money from church...it's sickening how "common" this practice has become