Uuh Ooh!!! Is Paula White's Ministry Unraveling??? Read This!!!

[South of I 90]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

One of the main problems is - No Accountability!
The whole thing is so very sad to me - because I know where they came from.

Totally agree!!

[H2H]

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[Sherri]

Originally Posted by tamor

Sherri,
We took a group of ladies from the Corinth church to a Judy Jacobs conference a couple of years ago. It was Judy, Darlene Bishop, Karen Wheaton, and Paula.

They all acted normal and were talking with ladies after the services, but Paula was escorted out by bodyguards and didn't speak to anyone. I liked her message more than I like watching her on TV, but the celebrity thing left a bad taste in my mouth.

Exactly! I don't like for preachers to act like they are better than the people they minister to. She told everyone at this conference to go down to the nearest St. John's shop and try on the dresses. They start at about $1,500. Well, I understand that you should try to prosper, etc., but that was so far out of these women's range that it was ridiculous. I like a conference alot better where I can relate to the women speaking - ones that have been through similar things and survived.

That being said, I do like her teaching on most things!

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[Trouvere]

I read the ariticle and it was lengthly for that I would like some CEU hours please.My opinion of this is first I don't believe everything I read.I would have to know all the facts.Secondly I know nothing of this ministry.Thirdly I find
it a subject that gets hashed out in the media over and over and over
again.The liberal press would like to hash all ministries in a negative manner.
This turns people off from church.We all remember the Jim Jones thing.
If it were true its a case of not being accountable.Where was the church board? That is what I want to know.

[CC1]

If Paula sees her way to "plant a seed" in my ..er...."ministry" of say a Mercedes S Class or Lexus LS460 then I will defend her to the end!!!!!!

In lieu of that I will just have to conclude that she is another brilliantly talented person who has lost their way at some point and become centered around herself rather than God.

However keep in mind that many of the "trappings" around her like he body guards, lavish pastoral gifts, etc are from the Black American tradition of evangelical Christianity. That is the norm in those circles and that is the circle she runs in. I read that her church is 70% black.

I have my theories as to why that religous culture exists. I think it was from the days when black folks in America were struggling more financially and very few were affluent. I believe it made them feel good to at least have their minister live the kind of lifestyle they wished for themselves.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Exactly! I don't like for preachers to act like they are better than the people they minister to. She told everyone at this conference to go down to the nearest St. John's shop and try on the dresses. They start at about $1,500. Well, I understand that you should try to prosper, etc., but that was so far out of these women's range that it was ridiculous. I like a conference alot better where I can relate to the women speaking - ones that have been through similar things and survived.

That being said, I do like her teaching on most things!

Costly array

[Trouvere]

Originally Posted by CC1

If Paula sees her way to "plant a seed" in my ..er...."ministry" of say a Mercedes S Class or Lexus LS460 then I will defend her to the end!!!!!!

In lieu of that I will just have to conclude that she is another brilliantly talented person who has lost their way at some point and become centered around herself rather than God.

However keep in mind that many of the "trappings" around her like he body guards, lavish pastoral gifts, etc are from the Black American tradition of evangelical Christianity. That is the norm in those circles and that is the circle she runs in. I read that her church is 70% black.

I have my theories as to why that religous culture exists. I think it was from the days when black folks in America were struggling more financially and very few were affluent. I believe it made them feel good to at least have their minister live the kind of lifestyle they wished for themselves.

I love to minister in black churches.They really treat you well.One church gave me an office while I was there and collected the offering and presented
it to me on a silver platter.They seated me on a large throne like chair on
the platform.I also want to say this particular church treated the house of God and the Lord himself with upmost respect.That is missing in many a congregation.Some don't mind if they stuff their nasty hankies into the pews and get up and walk out for the "cleaning lady".They don't mind if their children color all over the nice new cushioned pews or the wall for that matter.
Some have bathrooms that put filling stations to shame after service is over.
Yeah I could do with visiting some of brothers and sisters who are a little more respectful for a change.I am in need of a fix.
BTW if I were always treated the way this church treated me I would probably go straight to hell from the PRIDE issue.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

You know... I agree to a point, but it is not about dirty rotten television, it's about dirty rotten hearts.

Brother Hoover I agree with you 100% it is not about an electronic device because if it were I wouldn't use anything that had a screen (which would cause me to miss my flights). It is about dirty hearts, and what made their hearts turn cold? Money, instead of God, they wanted gold. Television is all about entertainment and at our Bible study this morning we had a group of agnostics and one of group (a graduate from Carnegie Mellon University)
made the comment that television evangelists are very good actors.

My thoughts are these, if the television is being used for the purpose to win the lost then why not find out what the lost think about those who are representing Christianity on television?

Most of the people who are watching these televangelists are mainstream Christians, people who are already in churches. What about ethics then?
You have preachers who won't even allow their people to visit other churches will they allow them to view other church services on television?

It sounds like a can of worms is about to be opened.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Why take lesson from these fallen showboaters - saying we will follow suit?
Why not rather look at a group of Lutherens and what they are doing for Jesus on TV?

Problem is we aren't Lutherans, were Pentecostals and even among our own group we have 31 flavors. With the Lutherans they make sure their programming is up to their standards. Since standards has become a dirty word in Pentecost and each minister and church body will pretty much do as they very well please we are bound to hear of some outrageous shows.

When the Lutherans did Davie and Goliath they did so back when the FCC demanded that each station have religious programming. When Davie and Goliath came out in the late 1960s it was under a heavy hand of the Lutheran church. The Lutherans wanted to make sure that what ever they put on television would not bring a reproach on their name.

I have no doubt that some of the Brother ministers who want to be on television will be doing there best NOT to bring a reproach on the United Pentecostal Church International and Jesus Christ, but we still must understand other problems that will arise. As a movement we have had embarrassments in the past, do we really want something to happen to bring a reproach on all of the Apostolic Pentecostals?

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

If there must be any rules concerning TV ministry, I would be in favor of forbidding any spiel to collect money whatsoever.

Brother Hoover, how can the United Pentecostal Church International do that? How much more can go into the Ministerial Manuel? At the rate things are going will the Manual become as think as the Directory?

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Limit it to a 60 second screen flash at the end of each airing. That would weed out some goats...

Brother Hoover, things are about to get very interesting and I know the apostolic people will get through it all. In my opinion those who are on television now are not what I called even remotely clean.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

It might be old news but this was printed in the Tampa Bay Tribune May 20.

What I mean is that the Whites and their mooching is nothing new. I was just speaking of their Exegetical horror show and Ecclesiastical highjacking back at NFCF.

Originally Posted by South of I 90

Its sad to see when a ministry that had its beginnings with seemingly pure motives evolve into something that is so money, power, and ego driven.

Amen and I would hope to believe that they were sincere, but when gold dust is in the air and cavities become brilliant platinum, those who were once devout to Christ and His message learn to justify themselves at the expense of crippled children and their weeping parents.

Originally Posted by South of I 90

If TV caused this, why didn't all of these negative symtoms follow Billy Graham!

Billy Graham holds crusades that are televised, not television shows or televised church services. Billy Graham leads people into a sinner's prayer and then hands out literature. The Lord only knows what is going on with Billy Graham. I shudder to think what will be written when the old Baptist is laid in the grave.

Television does not work.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com