Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I'm sure I'll get yelled at for saying this, but this seems to be how the slide begins. It eventually ends up in an abandoning of the values of our heritage. I've really appreciated your stance on various things since I've been here and I would hope the influence of the liberal culture of AFF and other surroundings won't cause you to compromise further.

Why lip gloss? What is the purpose but to make one more appealing to those with improper intentions? And why cover "zits"? If someone has a pimple they have a pimple. So what? Does pride take over and make us hide?

And if an activity is indecent in a skirt, do something else. That's the apostolic heritage I'm talking about. There once was a generation that didn't care what it cost to follow Jesus. I want to see that happen again!

Why judge others as to what the do? Is that any better than someone that covers an ugly zit? Do you comb your hair? Do you bathe? Shave? Shampoo or use soap? Aftershave? There once was a generation that made it as hard as possible to follow God. Then Jesus came and delivered us from the Law..then came a generation that tried to burden people with rules as silly as not covering a zit

[faithit166]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Can't you see, it's very easy to use the unproven to prove your point? This is the most abusive form of manipulating people.

ive manipulated noone i just spoke what was spoken to me,doesnt matter if you believe it or not no disrespect thats all there is to say blessings

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, yeah, you can't give it to yourself. LOL!

You know what I mean.

But to make the stretch that "prophesy" is a sub-set gift of the Spirit just makes me wonder how you arrived at that conclusion.

Both tongues and prophecy are listed as gifts of the Spirit (whether publicly or privately).

[Praxeas]

BTW did we ever get the name of that "hero" that does not believe in repentance?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW did we ever get the name of that "hero" that does not believe in repentance?

Ferd is referring to Adino.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What do you mean? If it is the initial/relating to the beginning evidence, then how can there be another evidence?

Some use Acts 19:6 to prove that you can prophesy as one sign. This verse is simply showing that the "gifts of the spirit" taught in I Cor 12-14 were instantly in operation.

You don't have to have maturity to operate in the gifts, although, the gifts will mature you.

As far as I can see in the Word (Acts 10:45-46) and until God shows me differently, I don't see there being any other evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost but tongues.

Initial evidence of "receiving"; yes. Evidence of "having?" No. To put it bluntly, if someone speaks in tongues, but they lack the fruit of the Spirit, I don't believe they *have* the Spirit. If someone doesn't speak in tongues, but they have the fruit of the Spirit, I would have a harder time refuting their experience even without tongues, and despite my personal beliefs. We've had this conversation before....

I wouldn't contradict nor belittle someone's experience with God either. It doesn't mean that I have to agree that they have the correct understanding. My BIL once asked me why "feeling joy" when you repent wasn't a sign to mean you had received God's Spirit. I showed him what I saw in the Word because he asked. Otherwise, I would have smiled and said nothing.

This is my response, too. I don't like to be put into the position of judging whether or not someone has the Holy Ghost. I've never felt like that was my place. If someone asks how I feel about it (like on this thread), I'll answer.

Partially, my hesitation comes from being a cynic...from seeing lots of tongue-talking "Holy-Ghost filled" Christians act like devils. I think too much stock is put into whether or not a person has spoken in tongues. That's all.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Socialite

You know what I mean.

But to make the stretch that "prophesy" is a sub-set gift of the Spirit just makes me wonder how you arrived at that conclusion.

Both tongues and prophecy are listed as gifts of the Spirit (whether publicly or privately).

No theologian will deny that the Book of Acts relates to the events showing the birth of the church. We read Peter identifying that the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost just like they did because he heard them speak in tongues. (Acts 10:45-46)

We then have instructions written "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth" (I Cor 1) on how to operate the spiritual gifts.

"divers" is not in the original manuscript, therefore, I would have to read that as "kinds of tongues". It is just a language that isn't naturally acquired. The "kinds" of tongues are followed by interpretation. That shows that they are tied together - "interpretation of tongues". (Acts I Cor 12:10)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Ferd is referring to Adino.

Adino most certainly believes in repentance

[aegsm76]

OP2 - the lib split that I was referring to on the forum was the establishment of the Apostolic Identity Forum.
Now let me weigh in with my two cents.
I have too much personal experience with friends and family giving up certain portions of the old landmarks/standards/identity, whatever you want to call it.
In my experience, the first generation is usually ok and they are able to hang on to the basic doctrine, be it either 1-step or 3-step.
However, when you get to the 2nd or 3rd generation, they become like every other religious group out there.
By this I mean that they go to the "sinner's prayer" religion.
To be bluntly honest, I do not totally understand why this happens, but it does.
That is why I have raised my family the way that I have.
Not because I believe that everything I do is a Biblical mandate, but because I want to do the best I can to raise my family to have the same, or better, experience with God than I do.
If others have differing opinions, that's fine.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by faithit166

ive manipulated noone i just spoke what was spoken to me,doesnt matter if you believe it or not no disrespect thats all there is to say blessings

BINGO If from God you have nothing to prove to anyone.