The Results Of My Poll Are Shocking - Page 9

Praxeas · #81 01-27-2011, 12:41 AM

I wonder if David Bernard pointed his finger at Jason and said "You are ashamed to say it! Admit it Jason. It's your kind that will lead us straight into Apostasy"

Why do they even have these forums if they've already got the Godhead all figured out and perfected?

Hoovie · #82 01-27-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder if David Bernard pointed his finger at Jason and said "You are ashamed to say it! Admit it Jason. It's your kind that will lead us straight into Apostasy"

Why do they even have these forums if they've already got the Godhead all figured out and perfected?

They don't and neither do we. I find that comforting, actually.

Praxeas · #83 01-27-2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

They don't and neither do we. I find that comforting, actually.

Amen
In DB's book he speaks of Christ's human nature praying to the Divine...years later I heard him admit "natures don't pray, persons pray"..what's wrong with refining what we believe and finding better ways to explain it?

BroMatt · #84 01-27-2011, 01:23 AM

If the scriptures say that godliness is a great mystery, why can't we take a little time to prayerfully reflect on this great mystery? Why the bum's rush to say it like I say it? Sure, you are baptized in Jesus name and Holy Ghost filled, but I need to check your mental and vocal DNA, there might be a abnormality!! This seams a little over the top.

When we act like we know it all to a world that is looking for truth with great skeptism, the first time we get wide eyed and scream "drink this coolaid" they are bugging out NOT because of the godhead issue, but because of our rabid intensity over the nature of God whom we have not seen.

The trinity is garbage, in my opinion. However, being oneness does not mean we should not prayerfully and carefully consider all the scriptures. What is the panic about anyway?

One of the things I have learned to be very wary of myself is brethren that go nutz in a flash over some small combination of wording.

Isa 29:19 The meek also shall increase their joy in the LORD, and the poor among men shall rejoice in the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 29:20 For the terrible one is brought to nought, and the scorner is consumed, and all that watch for iniquity are cut off:
Isa 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

OneAccord · #85 01-27-2011, 05:25 AM

Entire books have been written to attempt to explaing the Godhead. Charts have been drawn up.... Tracts of every color. Magazines articles, CD's and DVDs. Countless sermons have neen preached. Organizations have been built up, colleges have been established... all in an attempt to strip away the mystery of the Godhead. And yet, I don't think we've come any closer to offering a clear explanation of the Godhead.

We've spent hours and hours trying to explain it. Debates have been held all over the country, trying to put forth one Godhead position over another. And still....

Why didn't Paul, or Jesus devote one... just one chapter.... to the subject? A chapter that starts off with something like.. "Ok, this is the Biblical explanation of the Godhead...."

If they did, it would have saved us a lot of paper. All the Godhead books, tracts, and magazine articles would not be needed if one of them would have just had the forethought of writing it all down, plainly and simply. But, then, it wouldn't be a mystery would it?

The Godhead cannot be explained. It can't be taught and it can't be learned. It can only be spiritually revealed. Undertanding how Jesus could be human, but also fully Divine as the Son of God, was a mystery to the Jews. But one man, Peter, recieved the revelation. He didn't learn it. It wasn't explained to him. God Himelf revealed it to Peter. And it is only God that is able to remove the scales from our eyes and allow us to see Him in His glory.

Michael The Disciple · #86 01-27-2011, 07:17 AM

Ok my dear fellow Apostolic friends,

What I actually did was put forth the most simple, easy confession a Oneness Pentecostal could make. The one that scripture has shown us. The one that started the restoration of the Oneness movement in 1916. The one that every Oneness book that has ever been written that Im aware of has proclaimed.

I did not go into an explanation of how that is true for one reason. Not because I cant do that but because I made the mistake of taking for granted that all Apostolic believers accept this as the cornerstone of their belief on the Godhead.

I really expected every Oneness believer who did vote to confirm this and it would be anti's who would vote against it. I truly am shocked by this.

Michael The Disciple · #87 01-27-2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder if David Bernard pointed his finger at Jason and said "You are ashamed to say it! Admit it Jason. It's your kind that will lead us straight into Apostasy"

Why do they even have these forums if they've already got the Godhead all figured out and perfected?

But Praxeas I never asked about all the ins and outs of everything the Bible says about the relationship between God and Christ. All I asked for was THE MOST BASIC of all Oneness confessions.

As far as Jason Dulle if you recall he came here and I discussed his teaching with him. He does teach that Jesus is God the Father. He just says a lot more things also which I myself do when I am trying to explain Oneness to others.

I am not quite so foolish that I would try to bring someone into this truth by saying "Jesus is God the Father" then closing my Bible and walking away! I have been teaching Oneness since 1980 and have brought a number of people into it.

In all those years I cant remember ONE teacher of Oneness doctrine that did not teach that the One God of the Bible is Jesus Christ and that the one God is the Father.

Michael The Disciple · #88 01-27-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Are you one of those guys who forwards emails that say "If you love Jesus forward this to ten people, if you hate Him, then delete it"?

My theology is mine, and I don't need to vote in YOUR poll to express my beliefs.

It's not that I don't care about my beliefs, I just don't care about your poll.

Thanks for your overflowing love friend!

Michael The Disciple · #89 01-27-2011, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs

#1 -The thread was moved to The Debate Room

#2 -Of the 1380 active users, only 56 even VIEWED the thread.

So of those, about half voted.

Does that make you feel any better Michael?

Makes that 1380 number seems puny now.

Hello Sister,

I did not ask for the thread to be moved to the Debate Room. I also knew once it was it would be buried down there with the rest of the Godhead threads and would not be seen by many.

But who am I to question the admin decision?

Michael The Disciple · #90 01-27-2011, 08:01 AM

Praxeas,

And furthermore in the thread where Jason came to the Forum YOU said this:

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If you want to say Jesus is a Person and that Person is both Father and Son at the same time, that is technically correct

This is what I said at the beginning. This is what I have said all the way through. I said in the first post it is assumed we all believe Jesus is the Son. Then I asked who among us believed Jesus is also God the Father.

Jason after saying he opposes calling Jesus the Father actually says this:

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Does this mean Jesus is not the Father? Not at all. The deity of Jesus is numerically identical to the deity of the Father; i.e. they are the same person.

So I was saying what I always do and what the Bible teaches, and what Oneness has always taught and what YOU and Jason said was correct! Peace, Michael