PAJC- THIEVES, LIARS, and HYPOCRITES

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by pelathais

One old vestige of the PCI that remains (for now) is the "Repentance and Conversion" section in the UPCI Manual and the Article of Faith. It's interesting, even though you can affirm this statement right from the Manual and the AoF - you'll be in big trouble for doing so. I wonder how long this section will remain unrevised.



*** I took a "snapshot" of this from Sarge's website (www.spiritualabuse.org) and this photo is from the 1952 UPCI Manual. The most recent Manual I have laying around the house right now is from the mid 1990's and the wording is still identical. I am currently reduced to typing with just one hand at the moment so I took this "short cut" of copying from Sarge's website.

It is still the same, though I think it will be changed. I stood by the AOF, even though I am not a UPCI minister, who could whole heartedly endorse the AOF as it was intended.

I was attacked and kept drawing attention to this was the intent of the merger and the spirit in which the Org. was founded.

Which is better?

Trying to understand the constitution through the eyes of Nancy Pelosi, or from the Federalist Papers.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by pelathais

This comes from the old Pentecostal Home Study Course - that big 3-Ring binder of 250 Bible Lessons that everyone had to read to qualify for a Local License back from the the time of the merger up until the late 1980s.

You'll have to find an old copy from the library of some aged elder. This old copy had 100 Lessons by a PAJC writer, 100 Lessons by a PCI writer and 50 additional "up-to-date" studies that were added.

The current version - which is no longer "Required Reading" deletes all of the PCI material - written by John H. Dearing and adds 100 other Lessons so that the title didn't have to be changed and drawn unwanted attention.

I worked at World Evangelism Center and the Pentecostal Publishing House at the time that the older version was still being printed.

Wish I had kept mine.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Liberal

There are a lot of people who like to deny that PCIers never really WERE on-steppers; that they were predominantly 3-steppers themselves except for a few. I've even seen it said here on the forum. I've talked to relatives who get VERY defensive about this subject and deny there was really ever serious salvation-by-confession/belief school of thought.

We are saved by faith, faith that is transformational and leads to obedience. IF there is no obedience or application, then was there genuine faith?

I don't know how anyone can construe that as being a simple one step. Yes faith is emphasized as it is present in any move towards God.

It takes faith to repent of sin
Faith to believe the Gospel
Faith to believe that God will act in the Waters of Baptism
Faith to Receive the Mighty Spirit
Faith to continue to trust and walk with God

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

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Interesting you should say that I understand that is exactly what got Keith banned.

He affirmed the AoF and was banned anyway, even though the dog pack recognized he was right on that point.

Serious issues going on in the ultracon camp.

I don't know what Keith said. I was banned long ago for agreeing with one of the administrators "over there" when he questioned the "Perpetual Acts 2:38 Doctrine." One of the other admins jumped all over me and that was pretty much the end of me. LOL.

These people suffer from a number of unfortunate deficiencies. They don't study their Bibles, or when they do, they don't pay attention to what it says. They also lack even a basic education in writing, the logic of grammar and history.

All they have is a "certainty" that they happen to be absolutely correct about whatever floats through their heads. There are a few thoughtful exceptions... well, I can think of one right now. The rest are just pinheads.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by pelathais

One old vestige of the PCI that remains (for now) is the "Repentance and Conversion" section in the UPCI Manual and the Article of Faith. It's interesting, even though you can affirm this statement right from the Manual and the AoF - you'll be in big trouble for doing so. I wonder how long this section will remain unrevised.



*** I took a "snapshot" of this from Sarge's website (www.spiritualabuse.org) and this photo is from the 1952 UPCI Manual. The most recent Manual I have laying around the house right now is from the mid 1990's and the wording is still identical. I am currently reduced to typing with just one hand at the moment so I took this "short cut" of copying from Sarge's website.

Where could one get a hold of a current version of the AoF and UPCi Manual?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Justin

Where could one get a hold of a current version of the AoF and UPCi Manual?

Keith might have his for sale.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't know what Keith said. I was banned long ago for agreeing with one of the administrators "over there" when he questioned the "Perpetual Acts 2:38 Doctrine." One of the other admins jumped all over me and that was pretty much the end of me. LOL.

These people suffer from a number of unfortunate deficiencies. They don't study their Bibles, or when they do, they don't pay attention to what it says. They also lack even a basic education in writing, the logic of grammar and history.

All they have is a "certainty" that they happen to be absolutely correct about whatever floats through their heads. There are a few thoughtful exceptions... well, I can think of one right now. The rest are just pinheads.

I bear no animosity towards anyone on that forum or any other one, this year I want to walk in Honor like never before.

It is easy to get in the Group Think, harder to break from it. In an Org such as the UPCI it will destroy you or isolate you.

Any religious movement is a system, it has rules, you play by them, there is reward, you run up against them, it has consequences. Ministry, Family, Financial the list goes on.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't know what Keith said. I was banned long ago for agreeing with one of the administrators "over there" when he questioned the "Perpetual Acts 2:38 Doctrine." One of the other admins jumped all over me and that was pretty much the end of me. LOL.

These people suffer from a number of unfortunate deficiencies. They don't study their Bibles, or when they do, they don't pay attention to what it says. They also lack even a basic education in writing, the logic of grammar and history.

All they have is a "certainty" that they happen to be absolutely correct about whatever floats through their heads. There are a few thoughtful exceptions... well, I can think of one right now. The rest are just pinheads.

Well thank you Pel !

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

It is still the same, though I think it will be changed. I stood by the AOF, even though I am not a UPCI minister, who could whole heartedly endorse the AOF as it was intended.

I was attacked and kept drawing attention to this was the intent of the merger and the spirit in which the Org. was founded.

Which is better?

Trying to understand the constitution through the eyes of Nancy Pelosi, or from the Federalist Papers.

That is such an apt analogy. And, one that I think grates on these guys given their almost universal dislike for Pelosi and company.

This is the reason that I have refused to call these guys "conservatives." They aren't "conservative" at all. They want to make sweeping changes and they resort to going undercover and using Orwellian language (look it up Keith, the other Keith - LOL) to do so.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Keith might have his for sale.

Good Renda,

I actually have a copy of the first one. Thanks to my deceased Grandfather.