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Old 12-21-2010, 07:00 PM
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This kind of logic is too sweeping, even though I am disgusted with the idea that there is a book being sold that talks about pedophilia.


As a free market lover, as one who wants to preserve certain freedoms that our Constitution guarantees, I guess I just have to leave more room to allow the good and the bad.
Freedoms are not unlimited. You can't yell fire in a crowded building when there is no fire

You can't make speech that entices people to go kill others bacause of race (hate speech)...

apparently though you are ok with publishing material that teaches and encourages people to sexually abuse underage children?
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:16 PM
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Freedoms are not unlimited. You can't yell fire in a crowded building when there is no fire

You can't make speech that entices people to go kill others bacause of race (hate speech)...

apparently though you are ok with publishing material that teaches and encourages people to sexually abuse underage children?
Yelling fire in a crowded building is different from writing a book.

Making speeches is different from writing a book.


You don't have to buy his book.

You don't have to buy the satanic "sacred scriptures."


In your examples, people are unwillingly subjected to another person's abuse of freedom.

In the act of simply writing a book, no one's freedom is abused.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:19 PM
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Re: Amazon sells book on Pedophilia

In arresting him for the book he wrote, his freedoms have been abused.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:21 PM
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Yelling fire in a crowded building is different from writing a book.

Making speeches is different from writing a book.
Killing someone with a gun is different than killing someone with a knife...that is not much of an argument.

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You don't have to buy his book.
So? you don't have to listen to a white supremacist say "go kill some blacks" either, but it's still considered hate speech.

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You don't have to buy the satanic "sacred scriptures."
ok...what if a American Muslim cleric wrote a book pleading with American muslims to kill other Americans and told them how to do it? Protected speech?

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In your examples, people are unwillingly subjected to another person's abuse of freedom.
In a burning building we an smell smoke and see fire and make rational decisions. People still have the ability to do that. But not everyone does that and to protect MY rights and freedoms you are not allowed to shout "FIRE" because of those few that might not be as objective

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In the act of simply writing a book, no one's freedom is abused.
It advocates the sexual abuse of children
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:28 PM
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Killing someone with a gun is different than killing someone with a knife...that is not much of an argument.


So? you don't have to listen to a white supremacist say "go kill some blacks" either, but it's still considered hate speech.


ok...what if a American Muslim cleric wrote a book pleading with American muslims to kill other Americans and told them how to do it? Protected speech?


In a burning building we an smell smoke and see fire and make rational decisions. People still have the ability to do that. But not everyone does that and to protect MY rights and freedoms you are not allowed to shout "FIRE" because of those few that might not be as objective


It advocates the sexual abuse of children

The bottom line is you want to incarcerate someone simply because of something they wrote.

Nothing is right about pedophilia.

Nothing is right about A LOT of stuff people write about.

Let's go after them too.


Whatever your rationale is for going after this guy will lead to the abuse of the freedoms of millions more if you carry the logic used to arrest him just a little further-- given that the logic and laws used are used equally for every person and every sitaution deemed distasteful or even unlawful.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:38 PM
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I am shocked in the way that law enforcement was able to go after and arrest this guy so quickly.

It just lets me know that our technology and our laws, if tweaked just a little bit, can lead to an America that not even we ourselves could recognize.


Big brother really is watching, but we're too blind and too busy to notice.
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Jermyn, I am confused... Either you must have read the book OR you are making the case that one could not be arrested for anything they write in a book...
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:36 PM
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http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ped...ry?id=12111987

"The electronic book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct," by Philip R. Greaves II, apparently went on sale on Oct. 28 and costs $4.79 to download.

"This is my attempt to make pedophile situations safer for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them, by establishing certain rules for these adults to follow. I hope to achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals, with hope that their doing so will result in less hatred and perhaps liter sentences should they ever be caught," the author says in the product description."



This is terrible, but it is the result of throwing out the word of God. If the Word of God is not the authority, there will truly remain no authority, all law will rest on the judicial system. In which case all that is needed is a liberal judge, and you get the stamp of approval on your immorality.
I agree with another of your posts in this thread in which you said we won't see this type of behavior become accepted anytime soon.

However if society as a whole eventually accepts homosexuality it will eventually devole into accepting all manner of sexual sin, including pedophilia.

Its not as though this has never happened, we read of how in Rome that homosexuality was so widespread that even some of the emporors parade young boys around publically whom they molested, and here was no punishment.

As homosexual acceptance grows in this country, so will sexual perversion. Obviously as homosexualaity is accepted morality will grow worse, as will pedophilia, seeing how that so many homosexuals themselves were sexually molested.

Furthermore, many cultures which have accepted homosexuality in the past, also accepted pedophilia, polygamy, incest, and beastiality. This type of behavior was much more widespread in the pagan cultures of the old testament, as gentile cultures have become more "enlightened" since Christ came. What I mean by that statement is that the gospel so affected the world, that despite the fact many peoples continue in disobedience, there remain some general moral restraints and christian influence, on modern society as a whole. However, because man is depraved the more they reject the revelation of God, the more God will take the restraints off, and "give them up", see Romans 1.

Personally, I think that we are a long way off from this widespread sexual debachery on the most extreme levels, but I do think we are headed in that direction, as does any people who "Know God, but glorify Him not as God, neither were they thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.... Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves." I do believe that Christ will return before we ever see that day.
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Old 12-22-2010, 07:58 AM
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I am a hard person to shock...but this has left me nearly speechleess and ANGRY!!! This is outrageous, and to think I just bought my wife a Kindle from this company makes me ill.

So i think it may be safe to say that we as a nation are most officially in trouble. this is filth, it is sin and perversion, and it is all rooted in the love of money, excess, and greed. If a company as a whole does not believe or advocate it, then is should not sell it...PERIOD, end of story. They are talking out of both sides of their mouth on this and its because of thier real motivation....SALES.

RIDICULOUS!!
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