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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
I agree with you Sherri. I didn't get out of it what MOW said, and if I'm hearing MOW correctly, I'm monumentally disappointed at his take. Shocked, hurt, and sickened actually. But I'm hoping when he clarifies, he makes it sound better.
But anyway, here is the link to what Eddie Long said. And I desperately hope he is not the man being portrayed. I can't stand the TBN prosperity thing, but I really like Eddie Long.
I said what I said. I said that I know of this taking place in some ministers lives...I did not say I have experience. I don't live in a cave and I do have many friends from different cultural backgrounds. I'm not throwing rocks and I DO hope that that Bishop is not guilty of this lifestyle. But if he is, he won't be the first preacher who has engaged in this type of behavior.
If you listen to what he said, he said that he was not the man being portrayed on TV and he did say that he was going to fight it. That could mean a lot of things and certainly doesn't mean that he is innocent. His words need to be compared to others in similar situations who first denied then when the truth came out, they were guilty. Once again, I hope he is not one of them. It just doesn't look like that to me. Those of you who have no close friends in different cultures really won't have a clue as to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not saying it's widespread, I'm saying it's been more common than what some believe.
It's too late pray for his innocence.....I pray for truth to prevail. I just really hope that truth vindicates him!
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I said what I said. I said that I know of this taking place in some ministers lives...I did not say I have experience. I don't live in a cave and I do have many friends from different cultural backgrounds. I'm not throwing rocks and I DO hope that that Bishop is not guilty of this lifestyle. But if he is, he won't be the first preacher who has engaged in this type of behavior.
If you listen to what he said, he said that he was not the man being portrayed on TV and he did say that he was going to fight it. That could mean a lot of things and certainly doesn't mean that he is innocent. His words need to be compared to others in similar situations who first denied then when the truth came out, they were guilty. Once again, I hope he is not one of them. It just doesn't look like that to me. Those of you who have no close friends in different cultures really won't have a clue as to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not saying it's widespread, I'm saying it's been more common than what some believe.
It's too late pray for his innocence.....I pray for truth to prevail. I just really hope that truth vindicates him!
No, originally you said you know of this going on in the lives of several BLACK preachers. Here, you just say, "preachers". There was a clear racial distinction, and the implication was, this happens in the lives of black preachers and seemed to imply that it's not as common in the lives of preachers of other races. Did I understand that incorrectly? If so, I'll cease and desist. But if that's what you meant......wow. I see Eddie Long, here, as a human being who is a pastor. His race seems completely irrelevant.
There are numerous possibilities as to what his "perfect man" statement could have meant and his lack of complete denial. He may have been referring to his guilt in using a lack of discretion of maybe getting too close to these boys, in the lack of wisdom in sending pictures by cell phone....and who knows....Long is a physical fitness freak...maybe in a discussion he was encouraging someone to take care of himself and sent a picture to show the benefits, that at the age of 57 he looks like he does. Maybe. We don't know. And until we know, I would think we would uncover every possibility of innocence so as not to "rejoice not in another's iniquity."
The Bishop didn't say he was completely innocent at all. He said that he was not the man that they're saying he is. He did not categorically deny that any of this happened. I hope I'm wrong (seriously) but this just seems like he is leaving way too much wiggle room. I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some black preachers. This on the "down-low" behavior has affected far more than we'll ever know. I am not painting with a broad brush, I am only speaking from what I have knowledge of. I know this is a minority who engage is this behavior, but it is NOT behavior that his church folks are clueless about. Maybe clueless regarding him, but not the life style itself.
I truly hope he is innocent, but from everything I've seen so far, I predict that it will come out that the allegations are true. At least he didn't do the Ted Haggard, "I don't know this man" shuffle.
I say give 'em all lie detector tests and see how they come out. If it was me and I was accused of anything like this, I would be willing to do that and make it public if the accusers would as well. I am really saddened by all of this.
I was hoping that MOW might have given a little more clarity to his statement. Either way, I am aware of this type of behavior in preachers of all colors and cultures. As a matter of fact the Catholic Church, in which this sort of behavior may be most prevalent, an overwhelming majority (almost to the point of exclusivity) have been white. I don't associate the behavior with their color. I'm just making an observation that is relevant to this discussion.
Haggard and some of the other notable preachers who have been involved in sex scandals come to mind. This sort of thing has unfortunately been uncovered in the UPC. Without saying any names, to the best of my recollection none were black.
I'm not trying to start an argument. This is just my reaction to what I read.
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I was hoping that MOW might have given a little more clarity to his statement. Either way, I am aware of this type of behavior in preachers of all colors and cultures. As a matter of fact the Catholic Church, in which this sort of behavior may be most prevalent, an overwhelming majority (almost to the point of exclusivity) have been white. I don't associate the behavior with their color. I'm just making an observation that is relevant to this discussion.
Haggard and some of the other notable preachers who have been involved in sex scandals come to mind. This sort of thing has unfortunately been uncovered in the UPC. Without saying any names, to the best of my recollection none were black.
I'm not trying to start an argument. This is just my reaction to what I read.
I'm completely dumbfounded. People coming on here saying this type of stuff is more common than anyone wants to admit, and some saying they have known of folks (of any color) engaging in this type of stuff.
Wow. I'm amazed. Why would ANYONE [man] want to fool around with alot of little boys/teenage boys? Especially if your making millions?
I don't have ANY respect to sexual sin, but I can personally understand how a man could mess up and have an illegitimate relationship with another woman/women, ala Tiger Woods. I don't condone it, and it is sin which be judged. But personally I'm just saying I don't think it an amazing thing that a man whether in weakness or just on an ego trip finds someone realtivly close to their own age and of the opposite sex and gets themselves in trouble.
But to go and 1)pay for relations 2)and that with a male or male prostitute and 3)underage or even children
My. There is enough "mess" in Christianity, if it wasn't for the Lord, and a relationship with Him, I personally would throw in the towel and give up religion.
Between the legalists, the prosperity preachers, the outspoken moralists who are then exposed in gross sin, and the hateful attitudes of so many self righteous folks who ARE NOT filled with the love of God, I can COMPLETELY understand/empathize with those who outright reject Christianity.
Those things said, if we reject the sacrifice of Christ, based on the actions of others, we do so to our own peril, for we are ultimately responsible for the decisions we make, not the decisions of others.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
I'm completely dumbfounded. People coming on here saying this type of stuff is more common than anyone wants to admit, and some saying they have known of folks (of any color) engaging in this type of stuff.
Wow. I'm amazed. Why would ANYONE [man] want to fool around with alot of little boys/teenage boys? Especially if your making millions?
I don't have ANY respect to sexual sin, but I can personally understand how a man could mess up and have an illegitimate relationship with another woman/women, ala Tiger Woods. I don't condone it, and it is sin which be judged. But personally I'm just saying I don't think it an amazing thing that a man whether in weakness or just on an ego trip finds someone realtivly close to their own age and of the opposite sex and gets themselves in trouble.
But to go and 1)pay for relations 2)and that with a male or male prostitute and 3)underage or even children
My. There is enough "mess" in Christianity, if it wasn't for the Lord, and a relationship with Him, I personally would throw in the towel and give up religion.
Between the legalists, the prosperity preachers, the outspoken moralists who are then exposed in gross sin, and the hateful attitudes of so many self righteous folks who ARE NOT filled with the love of God, I can COMPLETELY understand/empathize with those who outright reject Christianity.
Those things said, if we reject the sacrifice of Christ, based on the actions of others, we do so to our own peril, for we are ultimately responsible for the decisions we make, not the decisions of others.
It can be lonely at the top
The Tempter knows their weakness
If they begin sexual sin, they can never get enough and try new sexual sins.
Many of these celebrities have no accountibility and very poor boundaries.
I was hoping that MOW might have given a little more clarity to his statement. Either way, I am aware of this type of behavior in preachers of all colors and cultures. As a matter of fact the Catholic Church, in which this sort of behavior may be most prevalent, an overwhelming majority (almost to the point of exclusivity) have been white. I don't associate the behavior with their color. I'm just making an observation that is relevant to this discussion.
Haggard and some of the other notable preachers who have been involved in sex scandals come to mind. This sort of thing has unfortunately been uncovered in the UPC. Without saying any names, to the best of my recollection none were black.
I'm not trying to start an argument. This is just my reaction to what I read.
Yes, I'd like to hear his clarify his statement....if it needs clarification. If he's saying this is a more common issue among black people, I'll be raising the roof calling for his resignation from the forum or at least an apology and an acknowledgment of error, and I would hope others would join me. I'm saying that, not necessarily at him, but at how out-of-line that concept is. Surely he didn't mean what it appears he meant.
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