UPCI pastor resigns amid teen sex charges

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If it were you... wouldn't you want due process? What if they are baseless accusations? Now... to report it after the facts are found and he's convicted... go for it.

Here's my question... obviously this young lady was leaving the house and meeting with him. What was she thinking. A 16 year old girl! Did she throw herself at him? Did she seduce him? She carries some of the blame here too.

Aquila, I have a 15 year old daughter. If she were seduced by a 47 year old man, I would feel that he held 100% of the blame. Shame on him. In a position of authority and trust AND a mature adult--he knew better.

I can understand quibbling over statutory rape laws when you have a 16 year old and an 18 year old. Okay. That's a bit of a gray area. But with an age difference like this? Nothing to quibble over.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by coadie

I do not blame the victum. You missed the point. If we teach sexual activity in schools and the kids get curious and explore, it places a larger requirement on adults to be guarded and avoid messaging and private contact..

Wow, coadie--for once I can completely agree with one of your posts!

Children being sexualized early puts MORE responsibility on adults to behave appropriately; not less.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Aquila, I have a 15 year old daughter. If she were seduced by a 47 year old man, I would feel that he held 100% of the blame. Shame on him. In a position of authority and trust AND a mature adult--he knew better.

I can understand quibbling over statutory rape laws when you have a 16 year old and an 18 year old. Okay. That's a bit of a gray area. But with an age difference like this? Nothing to quibble over.

Don't get me wrong... I agree. I just think this girl needs some serious counseling.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by DAII

Thing is, facts are coming out ... this is not a lone yellow journalist ... this was reported by various news sources using court documents and part of the evidence the state is using, ... to bring these charges. Liberal.

I am very much a Grace of God man ... and believe His blood washes even the most heinous sins and makes us right before God... but even Paul regards the law as a schoolmaster that defines sin and points to our need for Christ ..

That is not to be confused with the consequences of sin ...or the consequences of the law ... in this case the statutes in Ohio ... that are designed to protect the innocent ... or the need we have for rule of law to protect our property and God-given rights.

An adult male minister has allegedly preyed on a weaker and more vulnerable individual here ... as DEFINED BY THE LAW. The fact that he is minister is very much germane to this case and the reason the felony charge has been made.

That said, can you please point to where Pastor Monk made the claims of being lied about ... at the bond hearing? I'm most definitely am not a conspiracist, sorry.

Yes, I can. He said there were statements attributed to him that he didn't make. No, he didn't specify which ones, but it leaves open to question exactly what they are and until we know, it's much better to reserve judgment. Come on DAII, since the inception of our American legal system, there have been tens of thousands of people wrongly accused. It DOES happen and the information you're getting could be wrong. Do you not believe there's any chance of that?

Would you consider, at all, there is any chance this man is innocent?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Liberal

Yes, I can. He said there were statements attributed to him that he didn't make. No, he didn't specify which ones, but it leaves open to question exactly what they are and until we know, it's much better to reserve judgment. Come on DAII, since the inception of our American legal system, there have been tens of thousands of people wrongly accused. It DOES happen and the information you're getting could be wrong. Do you not believe there's any chance of that?

Would you consider, at all, there is any chance this man is innocent?

It is likely ... just like Major Hassan didn't really shoot those people at Fort Hood ... or if I'm a truther 9/11 was a lie too...

Yet logic and trends tell us differently, don't they? Don't know a criminal ... who doesn't think they've been lied about ....

Your request for silence on these matters rings hollow.

[Liberal]

Originally Posted by DAII

It is likely ... just like Major Hassan didn't really shoot those people at Fort Hood ... or if I'm a truther 9/11 was a lie too...

Yet logic and trends tell us differently, don't they? Don't know a criminal ... who doesn't think they've been lied about ....

Your request for silence on these matters rings hollow.

I haven't a clue what Major Hassan has to do with this discussion. Why don't we talk about this issue instead of a maniacal military officer who committed a horrible act in front of many people?

Can you answer the question I asked? Is there any chance this man is innocent? I'd like to hear, straight up, your answer, and anyone else that would like to answer. One of the dearest rights we have in this country is the opportunity to be heard by a jury of our peers when accused. I'm suggesting that you allow that process to take place for this man before you lynch him. When he openly admits guilt in a verifiable setting or is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll help you push the button.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Liberal

Yes, I can. He said there were statements attributed to him that he didn't make. No, he didn't specify which ones, but it leaves open to question exactly what they are...

He actually said there was one statement in the report that he didn't make. Not plural. Which? That they kissed? That they'd been intimate twice? That he was her "boyfriend"? Which statement was inaccurate? Was it even one of these, or was it another?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by DAII

It is likely ... just like Major Hassan didn't really shoot those people at Fort Hood ... or if I'm a truther 9/11 was a lie too...

Yet logic and trends tell us differently, don't they? Don't know a criminal ... who doesn't think they've been lied about ....

Your request for silence on these matters rings hollow.

Originally Posted by Liberal

I haven't a clue what Major Hassan has to do with this discussion. Why don't we talk about this issue instead of a maniacal military officer who committed a horrible act in front of many people?

Can you answer the question I asked? Is there any chance this man is innocent? I'd like to hear, straight up, your answer, and anyone else that would like to answer. One of the dearest rights we have in this country is the opportunity to be heard by a jury of our peers when accused. I'm suggesting that you allow that process to take place for this man before you lynch him. When he openly admits guilt in a verifiable setting or is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, I'll help you push the button.

Yowser, I'm done answering your question ... answered it, flipped it, sauteed it, and yet you would convict Hassan in the court of public opinion, while still technically, "innocent" under the same system you are pontificating.

It an argument of convenience.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by scotty

You see , while the man may have been manipulative, in this case as others like it, there has to be a point in time when the girl says to herself "this is ok". The problem is, more and more, younger and younger girls are believing, "this is ok". Even in the church, its ok. We have to address this instead of looking the other way. This man was wrong, but someone has to ask the questions, "why did you text back","why did you sneak out to go have sex with him". If the parents could give us the answers that this girl gives them, I think many here would be suprised and just as sick.

Are there cases where the girl has no options ? Yes, its called rape. But we have to ask ourselves the question and be honest with our answers. Why are these girls saying yes? Why are they wanting it? and most of all, Why do they believe that its ok?

If we could answer those questions with real solutions, then men like this would be out of luck. If we dont want people to get high, get rid of the dope. Dont want drunks, address the alcohol. Once we get the backbone to figure out how to address our childrens outlook on sex, then we take away the venue these sick men play upon. But you cant address a problem until you can admit there is one.

Yes , this is a sick man and should be held responsible for his actions. But we have to address the other side instead of just saying poor pitiful her, pat her on the back and say a prayer.

Scotty,

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think you are seeing the picture clearly. Please delete what you wrote about your daughter. She was 15 years old and deserves to be protected. Please don't put this on the internet. She was duped and taken advantage of. And, it doesn't make it too much better, but the youth minister was 22. This pastor is in his fourties.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by missourimary

He actually said there was one statement in the report that he didn't make. Not plural. Which? That they kissed? That they'd been intimate twice? That he was her "boyfriend"? Which statement was inaccurate? Was it even one of these, or was it another?

Or another random rabbit trail ... he wanted to take the judge down.