Has Hell Disappeared? - Page 9

Michael The Disciple · #81 09-20-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

It does for some, Prax. But God's message is I love YOU so much, I sent MY son to die for YOUR sins. Out of His great love, He draws us to Him. That does not mean however, that we can sin without consequences. I don't think Hell as most believe it to be, was made to scare people to God. Fear is torment in and of itself. You can't live for God and live in that kind of fear.

So wrong. Scripture speaks a lot about the fear of God. Most always in the sense of fright and alarm.

Praxeas · #82 09-20-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

And yet Hades in various translations is rendered as hell ... and sometimes Hades/Hell scriptures used to formulate doctrine ...

Various translations are wrong.

Mr. Smith · #83 09-20-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So wrong. Scripture speaks a lot about the fear of God. Most always in the sense of fright and alarm.

....which almost always is speaking of "Respect". Surely you're aware of that.

Mr. Smith · #84 09-20-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Various translations are wrong.

Says you. You should do your own translation since you've made your conclusive determinative judgments!

Praxeas · #85 09-20-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

It does for some, Prax. But God's message is I love YOU so much, I sent MY son to die for YOUR sins. Out of His great love, He draws us to Him. That does not mean however, that we can sin without consequences. I don't think Hell as most believe it to be, was made to scare people to God. Fear is torment in and of itself. You can't live for God and live in that kind of fear.

As I said, Jesus preached a lot about what happens to those that are not saved. See the entire chapter of Mat 24. See also Mat 7 and Mat 22 and Mat 25

Jesus also told us
Luk 12:5 But I will warn you of whom you shall fear: Fear Him who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yea, I say to you, fear Him.

Paul didn't just preach Love either. He said he warned them of things. It wasn't all love. He also spoke to churches about the coming judgment and destruction

2Th 1:7 and to give rest with us to you who are troubled, at the revealing of the Lord Jesus from Heaven with the angels of His power,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ,
2Th 1:9 who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
2Th 1:10 when He shall come to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that Day.
2Th 1:11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of the calling and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power,
2Th 1:12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

See, they warned people about the sin of unbelief and the consequences, This was typical., Point to man's condition, the direction man's condition will take them and the solution, God's Love

geekette · #86 09-20-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

And yet Hades in various translations is rendered as hell ... and sometimes Hades/Hell scriptures used to formulate doctrine ...

Probably not as much as the images of hell that can be traced straight back to Dante's Inferno.

geekette · #87 09-20-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Fear makes some people look at their lives and realize they need a savior. Love draws them to God

Erm, no. This is bringing up very bad memories. It's not always how you say, and I'll be blunt, most of the time, it's fear, fear, fear over the pulpit, and scant love.

Fear can push an already-depressed person to (or over) the edge. I think preachers assume that everyone sitting before them is in reasonably good mental health and, to be blunt, that's not the case. Some people can be irreparably harmed by such preaching.

geekette · #88 09-20-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

So wrong. Scripture speaks a lot about the fear of God. Most always in the sense of fright and alarm.

Again, preachers assume that everyone before them is in reasonably good mental health. However: You don't tell a person who has chronic depression with recurrent major depressive episodes about the fear of God over and over and over. It will send that person over the edge.

I know this from personal experience.

Mr. Smith · #89 09-20-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by geekette

Erm, no. This is bringing up very bad memories. It's not always how you say, and I'll be blunt, most of the time, it's fear, fear, fear over the pulpit, and scant love.

Fear can push an already-depressed person to (or over) the edge. I think preachers assume that everyone sitting before them is in reasonably good mental health and, to be blunt, that's not the case. Some people can be irreparably harmed by such preaching.

Wow, this is a GREAT point!! My goodness, the mental scarring that has been done. I had a sick feeling when I read your post.

Mr. Smith · #90 09-20-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by geekette

Again, preachers assume that everyone before them is in reasonably good mental health. However: You don't tell a person who has chronic depression with recurrent major depressive episodes about the fear of God over and over and over. It will send that person over the edge.

I know this from personal experience.

Keep trumpeting this. The hell-fear-mongers need to hear this.