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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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You came out of KP's church ... that explains a lot ...
Really big on the conspiracies in some of his preachings ....
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You know good and well I am one of the anti conspiracy people on AFF!!! KP was my pastor for many years but I am not "out of " that church. By the time I went to Austin I had graduated from Bible College already.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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Do you watch him regularly?
I've watched him enough. I usually can't stick around longer than the first 5 minutes -- just enough to get to his anticipated joke line 
Self-centered Gospel.
Pop Psychology Gospel.
Not all he teaches is wrong per se, it's just severely lacking IMO -- which leads me to disagree with the whole premise of the Gospel as he teaches it.
Between him and Haggee, definitely surprised this is who Global is making their spokesperson. |
No, not regularly at all. I've listened to, maybe, 3 or 4 sermons. But I've enjoyed it each time and appreciated his approach. Did he clue me in on Daniel's 70 weeks, the 4-headed horseman, or the real meaning of the valley of dry bones? No. But he gave some great practical tools for practical life and based it on the bible. I'm not sure what else we could ask for.
A few times when I've seen how abrasive you are with people, I've thought, "Boy, he could sure use some Joel Osteen." 
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08-17-2010, 10:40 PM
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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No, not regularly at all. I've listened to, maybe, 3 or 4 sermons. But I've enjoyed it each time and appreciated his approach. Did he clue me in on Daniel's 70 weeks, the 4-headed horseman, or the real meaning of the valley of dry bones? No. But he gave some great practical tools for practical life and based it on the bible. I'm not sure what else we could ask for.
A few times when I've seen how abrasive you are with people, I've thought, "Boy, he could sure use some Joel Osteen." |
He just smiles way too much and way too long throughout his messages for me to get beyond just that .... it's like it's plastered.
Some range of emotion would help me ... focus.
His teaching and preaching has matured quite a bit in the last few years and there is more Scripture ... which I think is foundational in any message.
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08-17-2010, 10:44 PM
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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No, not regularly at all. I've listened to, maybe, 3 or 4 sermons. But I've enjoyed it each time and appreciated his approach. Did he clue me in on Daniel's 70 weeks, the 4-headed horseman, or the real meaning of the valley of dry bones? No. But he gave some great practical tools for practical life and based it on the bible. I'm not sure what else we could ask for.
A few times when I've seen how abrasive you are with people, I've thought, "Boy, he could sure use some Joel Osteen." |
Oh you can talk  hahaha
Joel Osteen, Oprah, Dr Phil, I suppose they'd all help.
I'm not as mean as I come off on AFF at times You all do this to me! hahaha
Glad you like him. Not into self-centered Gospels, where every Sunday we are talking about how we can live better lives, we can get better jobs, we can make more money, we can be happier. To me-focused. That's actually quite depressing! 
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08-17-2010, 10:45 PM
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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He just smiles way too much and way too long throughout his messages for me to get beyond just that .... it's like it's plastered.
Some range of emotion would help me ... focus.
His teaching and preaching has matured quite a bit in the last few years and there is more Scripture ... which I think is foundational in any message. |
How much "scripture" did Jesus use when he spoke to the crowds? Compared to what we hear in modern times, not a lot. Didn't he mostly tell stories and make spiritual points with it?
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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His teaching and preaching has matured quite a bit in the last few years and there is more Scripture ... which I think is foundational in any message.
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
Not long before John Osteen died I was at a National Religous Broadcasters convention and was speaking with one of the top Christian film director / producers in the Nation. He had been working with the Osteens on some projects and was telling me how Joel loved being the behind the scenes guy, that he was shy and did not want to be onstage at all.
Ironically it was not long after that conversation that John died and Joel was forced to decide whether or not to take up the public reigns or let the ministry evolve into something else or fade away.
I have only seen him a few times on TV and while it was very lightweight material (much like his book) like others I have heard that the full services at his church have much more meat in them. I have never been so don't know.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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How much "scripture" did Jesus use when he spoke to the crowds? Compared to what we hear in modern times, not a lot. Didn't he mostly tell stories and make spiritual points with it?
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When you're THE Word breathing out Rhema ... you kind of got some leeway ... but there were time he would quote the prophets and plenty of reference to the Torah and Tanakh
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
Mr. Smith ... sheesh ... even Jesus cried.
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08-17-2010, 10:50 PM
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Re: The Other General Conference in Houston 9.13-1
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Oh you can talk hahaha
Joel Osteen, Oprah, Dr Phil, I suppose they'd all help.
I'm not as mean as I come off on AFF at times You all do this to me! hahaha
Glad you like him. Not into self-centered Gospels, where every Sunday we are talking about how we can live better lives, we can get better jobs, we can make more money, we can be happier. To me-focused. That's actually quite depressing! |
Paul talked a LOT about "Me" and how we come off to an unbelieving world. I see quite a bit in the NT that indicates personal fulfillment through Jesus Christ.
"Self-centered gospel"?? Really? What does that mean? If I'm telling people to be saved, would I be speaking a self-centered gospel? After all, I'm telling them how to make THEMSELVES better. If I'm preaching for people to stop sinning, wouldn't be self-centered based on the same principle?
Come on, Maxi, don't fall for the negative David Wilkerson, Hank Haanagraaf, condemn everyone talk that goes around.
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