The AFF Cesspool of Compromise

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

TP, I did consider what you term a "moral standard" and our obligation to that regard. That is why I refrained to comment for the first 1/2 dozen pages.

In the end, I decided the tone of the discussion on the other side (AFF as a cesspool, rotten etc.) pretty much relieved any possible reciprocating courtesy that might be preserved between these forums. It has primarily been destroyed from the other side. Since AFF was the subject I think it should be given special consideration. That is my personal opinion - not that of the Admin team. Please report this thread if you feel it needs to be reviewed by the Admin team.

Secondly, anyone who truly believes their internet forum ramblings are "safe" when there are hundreds of members is simply fooled.

Hoovie, I understand that admin has the discretion to consider what is correct and just. It seems that the subject matter should not be justification for obliterating a principle. It's like saying, "Well, since he did it, I am justified and right to do the same." As Christians, we are not to use that rationale.

We can comment all we want about which forum postings are meant for public consumption and whether we respect each forum is irrelevant. The fact is that is a private forum. I am sure AFF admin are aware of that and to allow this to happen, fully aware of what would happen, flies in the of face christian value. It is not an argument of agreement or disagreement with what has been posted. The principle should take precedent over the content.

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The way that thread was posted here, was any particular persons privacy broken? No. No one knows who said anything. The only known fact for us is that those comments came from people who post on AMF. As far as I can tell no one here is even concerned with who said those words but instead the only point was that conservatives say and think those kind of things. I'll say it one more time. I don't know what you all are complaining about since no individuals privacy was broken.

It was APF, but the principle remains the same. You can argue with the content all you like, but the subject matter (initials included) would never had been here had someone not decided that the confidence of that particular forum, or conversation was not of any value. Perhaps that is your opinion...and one you have every right to have.

[Hoovie]

Thanks for your concern Trumpetpraise. I am reporting this thread for Admin review.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

First of all, thank you for proving original posts right.

Please explain

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

Malachi 3:8
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
3:10
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Oh snap, I never considered that.

Mr. Cox, would you like to tell me what other parts of the law we should abide by? Do we just pick and choose? Should we use Duet 22:5, but ignore 22:8? Were not the handwriting of ordinances nailed to the cross? Who are you to restore what God has done away with?

Furthermore, has everyone you ever knew who practiced tithing been blessed so much they couldn't contain it?

Where's the storehouse? You know in the old testament there was a real store house, it wasn't Wells Fargo where money could gain interest. (Then again, maybe we should discuss the contents of the store house- hint "meat" in mine house)

Do we distribute the tithe as we ought, you know to the poor, the widow, the faterless, the stranger? Rather we exact the tithe from them creating an unnecessary burden. Which is exactly AGAINST what Paul taught in the New Testament.

For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: 2 Corinthians 8:13

But were not worried about the poor, about the single mother, about the widow on welfare it's pay up, or hell! ( as evidenced by the next part of your post, which I am about to comment on)

Do you think God is pleased with the preacher living the life of ease, not working a secular job, living off the people getting a new car every couple of years, trabeling all over the world on the church's dime, while teaching that if those of the congregation don't tithe the'll go to hell? Reminds me of this scripture:

For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Matthew 23:4

Yet again, what if someone pays tithes, if they don't pay offerings, they have still robbed God. Why is only the tithe concentrated on? According to Malachi 3 (if your interpretation is correct) they rob God in tithes and offerings. So what is the minimum giving required for salvation? 11%, 12%, 15%? Maybe just 10.01%?

What if someone misfigures, will God send them to hell over a dime? Atlanta Bishop implied such a thing. What if they miss a week, get into a car accident and die? Ar they going to hell over their $50 they didn't put in that week?

Yet again I must ask, when do we tithe? Weekly? Where's your scripture for that? The only biblical time to recieve the tithes were at feasts? There's no weekly tithe. Does your church practice feasts? If not, they might as well, if your teaching tithes your teaching the law, at least be consistent.

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

(P.S. All theives still go to hell)

Ahh, yes. Tithing is tied to our salvation, maybe you show me my error in interpreting these scriptures:

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 1 Peter 1:18-19

Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:27-28

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:3-5

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

I could go on, but for this post will stop and await comment.

Originally Posted by mrnbcox

By the way, Levites (ministers) not only recieved tithes, but paid tithes.

Right, who recieved the tithes of the Levites?

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

EVERY idle word will be accounted for. And I know that you guys love legalism and loopholes, but if you type it, I believe you'll be accountable just the same.

Accountable to who? Those on another forum, who knew this would incite ridicule of those more "conservative" than others...or accountable to God?

This disagreement itself should not matter. Are we to throw principle under the bus to hold those accountable in our own minds?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Hoovie, I understand that admin has the discretion to consider what is correct and just. It seems that the subject matter should not be justification for obliterating a principle. It's like saying, "Well, since he did it, I am justified and right to do the same." As Christians, we are not to use that rationale.

We can comment all we want about which forum postings are meant for public consumption and whether we respect each forum is irrelevant. The fact is that is a private forum. I am sure AFF admin are aware of that and to allow this to happen, fully aware of what would happen, flies in the face christian value. It is not an argument of agreement or disagreement with what has been posted. The principle should take precedent over the content.

Should news stations write about information that has been leaked that someone thought was private? They do and they should. AFF is not a news organization. In fact, it is even further from the leaking of infromation than the newspaper is. AFF is a forum. Forums are places for individuals to post information that they think is relevant to the topic at hand. The information posted was relevant. If you want someone to blame for the leak, blame the person that had access to it and leaked it from within your forum. If you want someone else to blame then blame the person who acted like a news organization and made public this leaked information. Of course you should be consistent and get angry at news organizations when they print any leaked information also. Just don't blame those not responsible. This forum itself should not delete information posted by an individual just because some forum doesn't like that they had an internal leak.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

Accountable to who? Those on another forum, who knew this would incite ridicule of those more "conservative" than others...or accountable to God?

This disagreement itself should not matter. Are we to throw principle under the bus to hold those accountable in our own minds?

Accountable to God, TP.

I never even implied anyone was accountable to me, or any other poster at AFF. My point was they make these comments behind their walls, but when they sin in secret it is shouted from the rooftops. From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh. Their hatred towards anyone not of their ilk seeps like rotten sewage, and now they're whining because 1/100th of their filthy nasty attitude has been made public.

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Should news stations write about information that has been leaked that someone thought was private? They do and they should. AFF is not a news organization. In fact, it is even further from the leaking of infromation than the newspaper is. AFF is a forum. Forums are places for individuals to post information that they think is relevant to the topic at hand. The information posted was relevant. If you want someone to blame for the leak, blame the person that had access to it and leaked it from within your forum. If you want someone else to blame then blame the person who acted like a news organization and made public this leaked information. Of course you should be consistent and get angry at news organizations when they print leaked information also. Just don't blame those not responsible. This forum itself should not delete information just because some forum doesn't like that they had an internal leak.

I have no problem connecting the dots to the origination as the first fault. However, AFF does have apostolic in it's description...something very far from a news organization's purpose and creed.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by TrmptPraise

I have no problem connecting the dots to the origination as the first fault. However, AFF does have apostolic in it's description...something very far from a news organization's purpose and creed.

What about a forum with "MINISTERS" or "PREACHERS" in their name, yet which speak in such manner?!!!!

[Jason B]

Glad to see Chicago Pastor viewing this thread.

I thought you guys stayed away from here

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