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Old 01-13-2010, 01:10 PM
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Re: Peace @ AFF

Sam said: "One thing we need to give up is the idea that everyone is at the same place in their growth and development of their spiritual life and that we all have to live the same way."

Sweet words Sam!
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Old 01-13-2010, 01:13 PM
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The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all the brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.

After the UPC was formed, one official magazine, The Pentecostal Herald, became the official magazine of the new organization. The first issue was published in December 1945. In an editorial titled, "Our Paper, The Pentecostal Herald" Bro. Oscar Vouga says:
"Articles on such subjects as The
New Birth, will be accepted, whether
they teach that the new birth takes place
before baptism in water and Spirit, or
that the new birth consists of baptism
of water and Spirit....."

When the UPC was originally formed in 1945 two organizations merged.
One was the Pentecostal Church Incorporated (PCI) and the other was the Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ (PAJC).
Some thought the merger could never happen because of differences of belief on how a person is saved or born again.
The PCI doctrine was that a person is saved or born again by faith and then that salvation experience can be followed up by water and/or Spirit baptism.
This viewpoint accepts all those who have believed in Jesus Christ as Savior as brothers and sisters in the family of God whether they are ever baptized in water and in the Spirit or not.
The PAJC doctrine was that a person is not saved or born again until after repentance, water baptism and Spirit baptism.
This viewpoint does not accept anyone as a brother or sister until all three steps --repentance, water baptism, and Spirit baptism-- have been completed.
The PCI viewpoint reflected what was historically taught as Apostolic or Pentecostal doctrine from the time of the Holy Ghost out pouring in the late 1800's and early 1900's until the merger.
The PAJC viewpoint reflected a later Apostolic or Pentecostal doctrine which had been influenced by the Roman Catholics and Campbellites.
The two-sentence "Fundamental Doctrine" statement was adopted in 1945 which was ambiguous enough that both groups could agree to it and the merger was completed.
The second sentence of the Fundamental Doctrine statement required all members to "not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body."

Over the years that has not happened very well but, if those of us who consider ourselves One-Steppers and those of us who consider ourselves Three-Steppers would show more tolerance and respect and acceptance toward one another, it would go a long way toward peace and unity.

If we could leave it up to the local pastor as to whether he/she teaches three steps or one step in the local congregation and what words and how much water is used in baptism, it would go a long way toward peace and unity in the Body of Christ.
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Old 01-13-2010, 01:16 PM
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Ummm, yeah.

So why the bother ?
So why the answer? grrrr

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One thing that would help is of all f us went with the Fundamental Doctrine Statement as adopted in 1945 and paid more attention to that second paragraph.

DAII asked:
What does it say, Sam?
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Here it is:

The basic fundamental doctrine of this organization shall be the Bible standard of full salvation, which is repentance, baptism in water by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the initial sign of speaking with other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all the brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body.

Observing this would go toward a more peaceful existence wouldn't it?
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Observing this would go toward a more peaceful existence wouldn't it?
It would but it would also allow for a discussion ... as articles on both sides in the official org ... and not sanitized or squelched.
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It would but it would also allow for a discussion ... as articles on both sides in the official org ... and not sanitized or squelched.
Really it's not so much what is discuss, but how it's discussed.
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Really it's not so much what is discuss, but how it's discussed.
In today's climate ... it never happened. So nothing to discuss.
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In today's climate ... it never happened. So nothing to discuss.
It can happen here, can't it?
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I think love is the key to true peace. Love carries us beyond hate, and brings man into the light of mercy and forgiveness, the 2 things we all need and are doomed without.

When we can love the enemy that is about to take our life, peace becomes internal and contagious. This is what Jesus did on the cross, and today we are still infected by those words, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do".

Love is far more powerful than we realize, and I Corinthians 13 sheds some deep light on the subject.

I think fear holds us back from true love, because we might end up embracing those we've hated in the past, and forgiving someone who has abused us.

And, the one wall that seems to come down when love is really in affect is Religion. This is just too much for some to bear, and so the wars continue.
Great post. It made me think of one of my favorite verses:

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

I am a firm believer that without Love, you can render even Truth ineffective.
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Posting is a privilege, not a right especially to those I mentioned. The minute someone denies the existence of God, promotes a religion that is anti-Jesus, or espouses universalism, I would ban their butts.

I think it's a good idea to delete every username that hasn't logged on in the last year.
What an irritable fellow you are, Edward!!
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