Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > The Newsroom > Political Talk
Facebook

Notices

Political Talk Political News


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #81  
Old 08-19-2009, 12:32 PM
Digging4Truth's Avatar
Digging4Truth Digging4Truth is offline
Still Figuring It Out.


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,858
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
You tell us, D4T--what authority do police have, and at what point is it reasonable for them to arrest, restrain or detain someone?
Police have authority to arrest, detain & restrain people who are in breach of the law of the land.

The question everybody keeps avoiding is... what law did she break?
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 08-19-2009, 01:02 PM
MissBrattified's Avatar
MissBrattified MissBrattified is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,829
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth View Post
Police have authority to arrest, detain & restrain people who are in breach of the law of the land.

The question everybody keeps avoiding is... what law did she break?
*sigh*

There are different ordinances for every city/county, as I'm sure you're aware, but this is a start:

From http://www.ecode360.com/?custId=NO1279, Part II, General Legislation (Village of North Syracuse, NY)

Re: (Chapter 230) Vehicles and Traffic, Article IV, Enforcement,

(230-33) Compliance Required -
It shall be unlawful and, unless otherwise declared in this chapter with respect to a particular offense, it is a traffic infraction for any person to do an act forbidden or fail to perform any act required by this chapter.

(230-35)Obedience to police officers, fire police and flag persons -
No person shall fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any police officer, fire police or flag person duly empowered to regulate traffic within the Village of North Syracuse.

(230-34) Penalties for violations of traffic regulations -
Every person convicted of a violation of 230-33 shall be subject to the same penalties as if he had been convicted of a violation of 1101 of the Vehicle and Traffic Law of the state of New York.

Vehicle and Traffic Law, section 1101 -
§ 1101. Required obedience to traffic laws. It is unlawful and, unless
otherwise declared in this title with respect to particular offenses, it
is a traffic infraction for any person to do any act forbidden or fail
to perform any act required in this title.



Ms. Harmon may not have been in this exact location, however, the point is there are similar ordinances in place in most areas, and I don't think we can just go around pretending that we don't have to comply with local law enforcement, or that there aren't consequences (and LEGAL ones at that) for failure to comply.
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone


"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."

--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road

Last edited by MissBrattified; 08-19-2009 at 01:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 08-19-2009, 01:08 PM
Digging4Truth's Avatar
Digging4Truth Digging4Truth is offline
Still Figuring It Out.


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,858
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
*sigh*

There are different ordinances for every city/county, as I'm sure you're aware, but this is a start:

From http://www.ecode360.com/?custId=NO1279, Part II, General Legislation (Village of North Syracuse, NY)

Re: (Chapter 230) Vehicles and Traffic, Article IV, Enforcement,

(230-33) Compliance Required -
It shall be unlawful and, unless otherwise declared in this chapter with respect to a particular offense, it is a traffic infraction for any person to do an act forbidden or fail to perform any act required by this chapter.

(230-35)Obedience to police officers, fire police and flag persons -
No person shall fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any police officer, fire police or flag person duly empowered to regulate traffic within the Village of North Syracuse.

(230-34) Penalties for violations of traffic regulations -
Every person convicted of a violation of 230-33 shall be subject to the same penalties as if he had been convicted of a violation of 1101 of the Vehicle and Traffic Law of the state of New York.

Vehicle and Traffic Law, section 1101 -
§ 1101. Required obedience to traffic laws. It is unlawful and, unless
otherwise declared in this title with respect to particular offenses, it
is a traffic infraction for any person to do any act forbidden or fail
to perform any act required in this title.
Indeed... it is unlawful for anyone to do any act forbidden or fail to perform any act required...

That was my question. What law did she break?
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 08-19-2009, 01:24 PM
MissBrattified's Avatar
MissBrattified MissBrattified is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,829
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth View Post
Indeed... it is unlawful for anyone to do any act forbidden or fail to perform any act required...

That was my question. What law did she break?
(230-35) No person shall fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any police officer, fire police or flag person duly empowered to regulate traffic within the Village of North Syracuse.

You tell me? Was the order for her to return to her vehicle a lawful order? Was it a reasonable "direction" by the police officer?

You're being obtuse, D4T. She didn't obey directions. Quit trying to prove that police are big, mean brutes. They're just doing their jobs, most of the time. Those who are proven to be abusive usually lose their jobs--just like in any OTHER profession.
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone


"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."

--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 08-19-2009, 02:36 PM
Ferd's Avatar
Ferd Ferd is offline
I remain the Petulant Chevalier


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17,524
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
(230-35) No person shall fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any police officer, fire police or flag person duly empowered to regulate traffic within the Village of North Syracuse.

You tell me? Was the order for her to return to her vehicle a lawful order? Was it a reasonable "direction" by the police officer?

You're being obtuse, D4T. She didn't obey directions. Quit trying to prove that police are big, mean brutes. They're just doing their jobs, most of the time. Those who are proven to be abusive usually lose their jobs--just like in any OTHER profession.
D4T
see the words in very large and very blue....

and in case you have not heard this before. Do NOT argue with The Bratt.... she never loses.
__________________
If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
My Countdown Counting down to: Days left till the end of the opressive Texas Summer!
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 08-19-2009, 02:39 PM
Ferd's Avatar
Ferd Ferd is offline
I remain the Petulant Chevalier


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 17,524
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Oh and for the record, it is completly plausable that the police officer thought the woman was on the phone when she was not.

it is also plausable that the police officer was wrong in stating that she was speeding.


In both cases the woman who got tazed had legal options. She could have requested that a police supervisor be directed to the scene. She could have called the police department and requested assistance... all the while complying with the direction given her by this officer.


There really are very good ways to deal with the police that will get what you need that wont end in you being tazed.
__________________
If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
My Countdown Counting down to: Days left till the end of the opressive Texas Summer!
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 08-19-2009, 03:49 PM
Truthseeker's Avatar
Truthseeker Truthseeker is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 6,888
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Quote:
Originally Posted by Digging4Truth View Post
What was she under arrest for?
For not getting back in the car after being instructed to do so. according to the cop I spoke to says it's a lawful order and arrestable offense.
__________________
Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.


The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 08-19-2009, 04:03 PM
MissBrattified's Avatar
MissBrattified MissBrattified is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,829
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

D4T, you may not LIKE the idea that the police have the authority to tell you what to do, but they do. If you feel those boundaries have been crossed, constitutionally speaking, the right place to protest them is in court or in legislation. NOT in the street while your kids are watching in the car, and not just simply for the purpose of proving the policeman isn't your "boss."

From a political standpoint, I get this argument about police brutality, although I think in many cases it is exaggerated to make a point, or deliberately provoked for the same reason. From a Christian perspective, however, we are to obey those who are in authority over us. We are to treat others with kindness--including our authorities and those in government positions. Oh, yeah--and that includes our President.

Political activism can really mess with Christian philosophies and ideals, if you aren't careful. I have a feeling if Paul were alive today, and if he were allowed an audience with the President, he wouldn't waste his time talking about healthcare reform or the condition of the roads, but rather the state of the President's heart. Nothing more, nothing less.

We need to be careful not to be distracted by worldly concerns, including politics, to the point that we lose our Christian worldview.
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone


"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."

--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 08-23-2009, 08:03 AM
jcan071 jcan071 is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 38
Re: Cop tases Mom While Kids Watch

Jcan wrote:
Can you imagine if they taserd professor Gates!!! Lol...I think the officer had every right to do so...Good thing someone was in control and had a cool head....After all was said and done Gates tried to pull the old race card...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Kids Feeding Kids (goats) Cindy Fellowship Hall 9 05-04-2009 02:47 PM
For those that watch TV Jack Shephard Fellowship Hall 59 10-02-2008 12:58 PM
Watch these and let me know what you think Praxeas Fellowship Hall 3 09-24-2008 02:57 AM
What happens on your Watch? scotty Fellowship Hall 36 02-01-2008 06:30 AM
What did you watch? Margies3 Fellowship Hall 11 07-01-2007 06:35 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by jfrog
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.