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Old 07-09-2009, 08:45 AM
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So we're God's ant farm?

Sorry, not buying it.

Yes, logic. You think your belief is logical, I think it's no more logical than my belief.

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Old 07-09-2009, 09:12 AM
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An excellent question! Thanks for asking. The answer is very simple:

I have a burden for the "lost".

But that's only half-joking (if that). I really do believe that some of the beliefs you guys adhere to are harmful. You would do well at least to consider this, IMO. A second reason:

I enjoy prompting people to think. To defend their ideas. To exercise 1 Peter 3:15, "... be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you ...". I think a lot of Christians are too complacent in "managing" what they believe. They believe what they are told to believe, without giving much attention to why. There's a lot of implied "because I said so" reasons, and it's been that way for decades. Centuries, actually.
But, Timmy, why AFF? Why not an AOG or some type of Pentecostal forum? Why a Oneness Pentecostal forum? (I believe you were raised AOG)
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:17 AM
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But, Timmy, why AFF? Why not an AOG or some type of Pentecostal forum? Why a Oneness Pentecostal forum? (I believe you were raised AOG)
I found FCF and NFCF via the ex-pente forum, long before I knew any AOG forums existed. And I still haven't found the AOG equivalent of AFF, if it exists. (I'm agnostic about that, too! ) The ones I have found since, well, just don't look like much fun.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:19 AM
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So we're God's ant farm?

Sorry, not buying it.

Yes, logic. You think your belief is logical, I think it's no more logical than my belief.

Great news about your sister-in-law.
There you go again! Deciding for yourself what makes sense for God to do!
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:26 AM
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Nobody claims that God wrote the Iliad!
That really wasn't the point.
The point was with regard to your question of interpretation.
I find it funny that the work of Homer has no scrutiny, yet the New Testament, much more credible by literary standards, has endured the fiercest attacks for two centuries.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:29 AM
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Logic?!

OK, but you do have a point. Never mind that you're doing what I've been told not to do: compare God with us (bolded above). God is way smarter than we are, you see, so He can do anything He wants, for His own reasons, without explaining everything to us, without doing everything we think He should do, etc. etc., which is why killing babies isn't evil (when God does it). But yes, you do have a point.

But really, what's so strange about creating a universe, setting it in motion with certain laws of physics in place, and seeing what happens? I haven't said (that I recall) that He is not interested. He may very well be watching. He may even have opinions on whether certain things we humans do are good or bad. Dunno.

What I do know for a fact is that we are here. We live, think, act. There are some things that we should be doing, about which there is almost universal agreement (I think): love and respect each other. Live at peace with each other, to the extent possible (OK, not everyone agrees on this!). Raise our families (if we have families). Learn. Invent. Enjoy life!

And for all I know, you guys could be right. There could very well be a Truth. The Truth that all religions strive to find. And for all I know, your religion could be the lucky one that got it right, and everyone that guesses that that's the one could be rewarded, and the ones who guessed wrong could very well be punished forever. Hard to believe that God considers "luck" to be equal to "justice", though!

Yes, yes, I know, luck has nothing to do with it. You have proof, of some kind (you feel it in your spirit, or some such). Or you have faith without proof. (John 20:29, after all.) Well, not everyone is lucky enough to have heard the message and believed it, via this proof or blind faith, so yes, luck has everything to do with it!
If He's interested, then it's not a major step of faith to say He would involve Himself. Timmy, thinking is a powerful tool, but can also be a woeful inhibitor. It's easy to ask questions and doubt, but much harder to step up to the answers. We cannot wallow our whole life under the shade tree called doubt, thinking it will screen us, and except us from God.

Timmy, God loves you! You... specifically you! That's the message of all eternity right there!
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:32 AM
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I found FCF and NFCF via the ex-pente forum, long before I knew any AOG forums existed. And I still haven't found the AOG equivalent of AFF, if it exists. (I'm agnostic about that, too! ) The ones I have found since, well, just don't look like much fun.
Timmy the Skeptic, I want to remind you that doubt is only the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:42 AM
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That really wasn't the point.
The point was with regard to your question of interpretation.
I find it funny that the work of Homer has no scrutiny, yet the New Testament, much more credible by literary standards, has endured the fiercest attacks for two centuries.
No scrutiny? Why would it have to be scrutinized? That was the point I was making.

(If by scrutiny you mean investigations into The Iliad's authorship, yes, it has undergone scrutiny. Some scholars don't believe there was a man Homer, as Iliad author at least, but that the poems attributed to him originated as oral tradition. But nobody's eternal fate rests on the truth of that matter!)

Back to my question of interpretation. So, you would have me and the rest of the human race believe that God set down The Rules, at certain times of history, using terminology particular to those times and cultures, never modernizing them, but they are applicable and binding on all humanity (even the huge portion of humanity that has never even seen The Rules), though they are becoming farther and farther removed from today's time and culture, making it harder to follow The Rules (again, witness the arguing and fighting over what they really mean and which ones still apply)?

Mmmmmkay.
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Timmy the Skeptic, I want to remind you that doubt is only the beginning of wisdom, not the end.
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If He's interested, then it's not a major step of faith to say He would involve Himself. Timmy, thinking is a powerful tool, but can also be a woeful inhibitor. It's easy to ask questions and doubt, but much harder to step up to the answers. We cannot wallow our whole life under the shade tree called doubt, thinking it will screen us, and except us from God.

Timmy, God loves you! You... specifically you! That's the message of all eternity right there!
Oh I agree that there are certain things that one cannot believe unless one stops thinking!

Look, all I'm doing is figuring out what to believe, based on the information available to me. We are all doing that, I think. And yes, it is reasonable to think that God, if interested in us, may intervene in our world, at times. But it is also reasonable to think that, if He does that, He would be consistent about it. The stories and claims of such intervention demonstrate an dire lack of consistency. And there is always a handy explanation. I'm half-way through the book "Is God To Blame", which is an attempt at an explanation. So far, it makes a bit more sense than most other attempts I've heard, but it falls short. (So far!)
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