Women Pastors- equal Dying Denominations - Page 9

LadyRev · #81 05-06-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

not really....i don't know why females go to the restroom in packs....but I don't think it has anything to do with security or acceptance....just like i think men going to bars, sporting venues, golf courses, etc...has nothing to do with them feeling independant.

bars, sporting venues, golf courses, all these places men go to and like to go to.....all have rules. and men understand these rules and how they are enforced....so I don't think men play golf because there are no rules and they are showing thier independance...or men attend sporting events because because they feel "set free"....or something.

I think men go to these places because they enjoy the activities going on there....and maybe they will go with some friends or see some friends there and have a great time....i don't think it has anything to do with independance.

my question is why aren't more church like this? why aren't they places where men want to go and where men have a great time?

Ok, now you have me wondering about your age. No offense intended.

Security minded females, in general, don't care to be alone. Not even when they go to the restroom. They like company wherever they go. They like to have someone to talk to. If alone, they will often talk on the phone with someone.

Guys like their male companionship too but its generally not based on a sense of security or acceptance. They do so just to have fun.

As someone else already said, no one is telling them what to do when they are at a bar or a ball game. Sure, there are rules but thats way different than someone actually telling them how to live their lives.

Depending on the church and its leadership, a guy can be very unhappy with what appears to be other people dictating his life.

Digging4Truth · #82 05-06-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyRev

Ok, now you have me wondering about your age. No offense intended.

Security minded females, in general, don't care to be alone. Not even when they go to the restroom. They like company wherever they go. They like to have someone to talk to. If alone, they will often talk on the phone with someone.

Guys like their male companionship too but its generally not based on a sense of security or acceptance. They do so just to have fun.

As someone else already said, no one is telling them what to do when they are at a bar or a ball game. Sure, there are rules but thats way different than someone actually telling them how to live their lives.

Depending on the church and its leadership, a guy can be very unhappy with what appears to be other people dictating his life.

I haven't read much of this thread... I just jumped in and saw this post...

But... I think ministry needs to move away from the things that make people feel like people are dictating their lives and make a move toward teaching the word in a manner that would equip people to take control of their own lives with their own understanding of the word and their own relationship with God.

I think to do otherwise does undermine the God given role of a man to be the head of his household.

But the fear that these people will come to different conclusions than the one ministering does not allow for this.

Hoovie · #83 05-06-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

why would this be shirking? and while He does believe women are equal with men...He made both...we never read of him charging into the temple and demanding equal seating rights for both...or equal pay...neither does he start an anti-slavery coalition. what i'm saying is that Jesus came for a primary purpose...to redeem us to God...and did not allow himself to get sidetracked with many other issues of his culture.

as for the NT being manatized....do you really think that the 27 books contained in the NT are the only and best teachings about Christ and His Church? And don't you think that there were any books writen by women/or about women during this time? wonder why they would not be included?

while we cannot know exactly everything that went on to create the NT...this we do know...a group of men...took a large group of books(way more than 27)...and through debate and dicussion decided on some...and then from that group(more than 27) came the 27 that we now have.

with the natual abilites...i think you misread me....or maybe I miswrote. I said...or meant to say...that God calls those who He has gifted. nowhere did I say that gifting = calling. some are called and some are not....but I believe there are many more who are gifted than are called...and likewise many who simply do(pastor) who are not called or gifted....but thats another thread.

I didn't realize "motherhood" was a calling....hmmm....i learned something today!!

I don't have time for all of this right now, but as to the last comment... Not only is it a calling - I think it is a very high calling, a sacred, spiritual appointment of God himself.

Hoovie · #84 05-06-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Football games and bars don't usually have someone in charge who is bossing you and your family around.

Many churches do have a 'boss' who tells families how they must live, whether the head of that particular family likes it or not.

I do think that many churches have emasculated the men, by the pastor taking over the role as head of the family. Thankfully, not all churches or pastors are like this.

yup

edjen01 · #85 05-06-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LadyRev

Ok, now you have me wondering about your age. No offense intended.

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Security minded females, in general, don't care to be alone. Not even when they go to the restroom. They like company wherever they go. They like to have someone to talk to. If alone, they will often talk on the phone with someone.

Guys like their male companionship too but its generally not based on a sense of security or acceptance. They do so just to have fun.

As someone else already said, no one is telling them what to do when they are at a bar or a ball game. Sure, there are rules but thats way different than someone actually telling them how to live their lives.

Depending on the church and its leadership, a guy can be very unhappy with what appears to be other people dictating his life.

i do understand that some females do not like being alone...but I do not think it is mostly security/acceptance driven. agreed there are times when a female would feel unsafe and the need to have more people with her...but i do not believe this is the primary reason they go to the restroom in packs...or attend church.

i agree with you concerning the role the church body and leadership can play...which is why I ask my question....why can't churches be more like the places men like to go?

so if i read this right....men go to fun places because...even if they have rules...nobody tells them how to live thier lives...and they go to fun places because they like to have fun.

Why can't a church do that...be that!!!!

who said that church had to be a rules-based, boring place...where you get told how to live your life? I don't see that in the gospels. I do see Jesus hanging out with men...camping...boating...fishing...doing extreme sports(walking on water)...and along the way...He would teach them and challenge them...and He became thier friends. I think men would respond to this type of church today!!!

Hoovie · #86 05-06-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I personally know many, many, MANY people who were told by their pastors that they were not allowed to speak to family members if the family members left their church. Parents were not allowed to speak to their own children. And most of the family members who left didn't even "backslide", they just went to another Pentecostal church.

Some pastors will have a lot to answer for on judgment day.

I would happily remove myself from such a club.

edjen01 · #87 05-06-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I don't have time for all of this right now, but as to the last comment... Not only is it a calling - I think it is a very high calling, a sacred, spiritual appointment of God himself.

hmmmm...a sacred, spiritual calling?? I agree that mothers deserve honor...but I do not read of this being a Biblical calling.

Hoovie · #88 05-06-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

hmmmm...a sacred, spiritual calling?? I agree that mothers deserve honor...but I do not read of this being a Biblical calling.

Speaking of my responsibilities as a Father... I consider my duties as spiritual as (perhaps more?) anything that happens at corporate church assembly.

Of course Jesus is the center of our family life, and he has placed and called me for such a time and season. Indeed, I believe the family is a primary sacred institution.

*AQuietPlace* · #89 05-06-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I would happily remove myself from such a club.

People in such churches have usually been browbeaten and scared into honestly believing that they'll fry in hell if they leave.

edjen01 · #90 05-06-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Speaking of my responsibilities as a Father... I consider my duties as spiritual (perhaps more?) as anything that happens at corporate church assembly.

Of course Jesus is the center of our family life, and he has placed and called me for such a time and season. Indeed, I believe the family is a primary sacred institution.

i do not question a father's responsibilities...but I do not see where it is a Biblical calling...unless you take the whole "be fruitful and multiply" as being a personal calling.

the fact that I have children...makes me a father...but I do not believe that means God called me to be a father...i can't find that in the text.