Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light Doc

[LUKE2447]

Let's continue from above and show more parallel aspects of doing as he did.


1Jn 2:6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.

Reference that above passage in John!

Mat 10:37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

WITH reference to what!

Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Mat 16:24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

yeah, we don't have to do anything else do we.

[KWSS1976]

Did you not understand when I said to (live a godly life)...Would that not be walking in the same way as him.......

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Did you not understand when I said to (live a godly life)...Would that not be walking in the same way as him.......

Then why the contradiction with the set of words?

"we do not have to turn around and try to duplicate what he did for us....."

Baptist theology is full of contradiction in these areas.


Also....

"nothing more we have to do he did it for us"

I hear this all the time when arguing with OSAS groups!

[KWSS1976]

We are on the same page I think just not communicating to well which is hard to do over the fourm..

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

We are on the same page I think just not communicating to well which is hard to do over the fourm..

Probably so. It has happened before and probably happen again! LOL!

[KWSS1976]

"nothing more we have to do he did it for us" the baptist are not saying thats a free pass to sin... my mother is baptist she lives a more godly life then some other I know it is a misunderstanding between denominations as far as how one translate it..

[deltaguitar]

It is not a misunderstanding. There are baptist who teach incorrect doctrine concerning new birth, eternal security, and other points of doctrine.

The problem is that you can be a baptist and live a holy godly life and follow all the commandments and put your faith in God and if you don't follow Acts 2:38 you are damned. True faith will always be accompanied by the fruits of the spirit and righteous living. Quote all the scriptures you want about following God's commands and it doesn't uphold your doctrine over historical Christianity.

Luke, you try to take the weakness of people and attribute it to the Gospel message. No one has quoted Martin Luther or John Calvin. The scholars that you boast about are overwhelmingly against your positions anyway.

Also, the bible does not contradict itself. If it says faith and believe then we have to try to understand what that means. To you believe doesn't mean anything unless accompanied by Acts 2:38. Faith is the proper response to the gospel. To you that is cheap, weak, and greasy grace. To me it is the most powerful message ever told.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

It is not a misunderstanding. There are baptist who teach incorrect doctrine concerning new birth, eternal security, and other points of doctrine.

Better believe it!

The problem is that you can be a baptist and live a holy godly life and follow all the commandments and put your faith in God and if you don't follow Acts 2:38 you are damned.

That is correct as if you are not baptized you are not going to be saved. If you do not repent you ar not going to be saved. If you do not recieve the HS you willl not be saved.

True faith will always be accompanied by the fruits of the spirit and righteous living. Quote all the scriptures you want about following God's commands and it doesn't uphold your doctrine over historical Christianity.

You really want to go here? You know little about historical Christianity and if you did you would know you are wrong on baptism and the consistency of holy standards toward dress, adorment and many other things is not on your side. So if you want to go for it. I will meet you right in the middle. Do the early church fathers have every teaching correct? No! It is interesting what I do see though in many cases!

Luke, you try to take the weakness of people and attribute it to the Gospel message. No one has quoted Martin Luther or John Calvin. The scholars that you boast about are overwhelmingly against your positions anyway.

No, I am pointing out how failures of man have hurt peoples understanding of the gospel. Nobody needs to qoute them the mindset behind posts screams doctrines that have flowed from them.
Many scholars agree with one thing and many another. Again the Bible is the main source scholarly works are important and bring depth to discussion but it in itself does not define the Word the Word defines itself. The problem is "faith only" mentality and other improper doctrine concerning faith have been built off them. It does matter as much of how people view the Bible today and how it has been translated has been shaped sadly by these men.

Also, the bible does not contradict itself. If it says faith and believe then we have to try to understand what that means. To you believe doesn't mean anything unless accompanied by Acts 2:38. Faith is the proper response to the gospel. To you that is cheap, weak, and greasy grace. To me it is the most powerful message ever told.

Never said it did. Why yes Acts 2:38 is part of what it is to believe. You repent, you get baptized and you receive the HS. Is that all of the gospel of Christ? No! Also faith is a proper response to the gospel but that is not all faith is. THat is where it starts but not where it ends.

You can't even understand my points of cheap grace. Again read the points and you might get it.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

"nothing more we have to do he did it for us" the baptist are not saying thats a free pass to sin... my mother is baptist she lives a more godly life then some other I know it is a misunderstanding between denominations as far as how one translate it..

no it is not a license to by many BUT that is not the point. The point is you can break law and be saved. As grace to them = the ability to sin without eternal consequence. It does have connotations of OSAS and that is all that needs to be said. As that is one of the most false doctrines in the Bible.

[KWSS1976]

Luke you can sin and ask god to forgive you and he will therfore making you saved as you were before you sined. You make it sound like man is perfect and never sins..If you murder someone and truly ask god to forgive you he will...