Collateral Damage - Page 9

Felicity · #81 04-12-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

That really is my whole point - - - why can't it NOT be.......aunty.

Welcome to the family!

Nahum · #82 04-12-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Sure it is wrong. But what I am saying is it might be a big issue to you and him, but why worry about it. Just because your friend can not get something should not be the reason your friend should want it. I mean as free moral people we can have about anything we want. If some one wants coffee they can get it, a book, etc.

Lets say this, if you are driving by a starbucks and you noticed they closed early that should not mean that you automatically get mad cause you can not get coffee cause they are closed. You are driving somewhere else doing something else when you notice this, but because they are closed that makes you upset so now you want coffee. When driving by you did not want any coffee in the first place You get my drift?

I would be upset too. However if for some reason I can not get in then no sweat. I had the samething happen to me in the local UPC assembly I was in. It is not the reason I am leaving though. I was the Youth Pastor and wanted to obatin my licsense and the Pastor

said that no one other than him and the assistant needed to be licsensed. Guess what? One of the lay people in the church just got his licsense. Does in make me mad?

No? Accually it was a good thing.

I say it like this, if you put your hand about an inch away from your eyes so you can not see around them, that is how some people look at their problems. But if you stretch you arm out and you will notice that your hand is not taking up most of your vision now. It seems to fade into the other stuff you see. That is how our problems accually are. God and His plans are the other things you now see and the problems are surrounded by Him now. You feel?

Very true, and a lesson it has taken me a lifetime to learn. It reads something like this.

"Be careful who's leadership you choose to follow."

#83 04-12-2007, 01:06 PM

All the more reason to not have kids when there are a gazillion "absolute truths" floating around.

Ron · #84 04-12-2007, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Since many believe men (husbands) are to be the leaders in the home, do they too carry a larger accountability/liability when it comes to their role?

I would tend to think so. I would also like to think this liability does not extend to jeopardizing his gift of eternal life, except in very extreme cases where there is a willful hurting of his family. But then such a case may speak to his lack of genuinely anyway.

Or ignorance?

#85 04-12-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

We have often discussed the misnomer that a pastor will anwer for all of the parishoners in his church at judgement day. From what I have read on AFF, most of us are in agreement that each individual will stand before God alone. The pastor will not be there to mediate, nor will he be held responsible for those who refused obedience to the Word. His only obligation is to preach the whole counsel of God.

But what if leadership unknowingly causes someone to stumble and fall? What if leadership adds an unnecessary burden that a Christian cannot bear? What if a leader's politics builds his own kingdom instead of God's?

What will happen to those who kill innocents through "friendly fire"? Is a certain amount of collateral damage necessary to win this spiritual war?

Hebrews 13:7 tells us, "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

Romans 14:12 tells us, "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Pastors and other leaders having to give account for those over whom God has placed them does not negate the account that each of us will give individually.

Felicity · #86 04-12-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan

Hebrews 13:7 tells us, "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

Romans 14:12 tells us, "So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God."

Pastors and other leaders having to give account for those over whom God has placed them does not negate the account that each of us will give individually.

Sobering scriptures on any account - for pastors/spiritual leaders and each individual.