The Husband is the Head of the Wife

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I agree. Not pointing the finger at anyone in particular, but it seems some women have an unbiblical and unhealthy fear of submission...perhaps it's due to the influence of western culture and or perhaps it's due to life experiences.

I don't think it's fear of submission, I think most of it is the influence of American culture and feminism - influence that has been allowed to establish strongholds in the Church.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Chan

True.

Not in the Church.

See above.

Chan......

I had gone back and edited what I wrote last nite. I edited Rulership to read Leadership.

I shouldn't have been writing anything last night. I was so tired and could hardly see straight let alone try and talk straight.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Chan

See above.

In regard to this...... Scripture says that God sets up and takes down those who are in leadership, rulership and other types of admin positions within governmental structure outside the church. This then means that if a woman is raised to that kind of position God has either willed it or allowed it.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Newman

I do not believe the head covering was universal although certainly more prevelent in the East and along some of the port cities such as Corinth.

Head coverings were worn by Jewish married women but not required of the single women.

It is also doubtful that rich Roman women felt the necesity to wear head coverings.

Furthermore, Paul's epistle to the Ephesians and Peter's epistle to believers everywhere; regarding modest hairstyles would suggest that all women's heads weren't covered.

Even Roman women wore them...maybe not all Roman women wore them but then again not all American women wear skirts...by Universal I mean it was practiced everywhere, not it was practice by all women

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
In New Testament times, however, among both Greeks and Romans, reputable women wore a veil in public (Plutarch Quaest. Rom. xiv) and to appear without it was an act of bravado (or worse); Tarsus, Paul's home city, was especially noted for strictness in this regard (Dio of Prusa, Tarsica prior, section symbol 48)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Chan

I don't think it's fear of submission, I think most of it is the influence of American culture and feminism - influence that has been allowed to establish strongholds in the Church.

I think in some cases it is a fear of submission because quite frankly they, like us all, fear being taken advantage of....

But I have to say I, as a believer, am well aware I can be taken advantage off under many pretenses...

for example, I can't think of how many times I helped someone needy out only to be burned by them. That could shape my future interactions to help out individuals or perhaps I will continue to help out others but with less naivety on my part

[Felicity]

You're not afraid to submit to someone you trust and who you know cares for you and loves you.

[Ron]

Not meaning to be so crass but the Word says to Submit and doesn't give any exceptions.

It also says for men to love their wives with out any exceptions either.

[RevDWW]

For the record:
I wear the pants in my family!

My wife may pick them out, buy them, and tell me which ones to wear....but I wear them..........

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

BUMP No takers???????????????????????????????

I am woman and I agree with you.

With me, it took studying Eph chapter 5 to really understand.

God's ways are not our ways.. society might have changed... but he never does.

still don't believe the hair has to be "uncut" though.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ron

Not meaning to be so crass but the Word says to Submit and doesn't give any exceptions.

It also says for men to love their wives with out any exceptions either.

Amen and that is the balance.