Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, can you believe that Adino referred to me as Rico the Socialist today? I about fell over laughing!! I told him he had me confused with you.

My bad. Guess I figured anyone who defended a presidential candidate determined to govern this nation with failed Socialistic policies wouldn't mind being identified as a Socialist. Who else, but a Socialist, would yearn for a Socialistic America?

Oh, I know! A radical Islamic Fascist like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

Then again, I suppose there were Hitler supporters who hated being referred to as 'Nazis' as well.

Whatever our ideological tendencies, I think we can all agree it is a good thing the imputed righteousness of Christ covers even our political shortcomings.

As Aquila said, "in all things, to God be the glory."

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Adino

My bad. Guess I figured anyone who defended a presidential candidate determined to govern this nation with failed Socialistic policies wouldn't mind being identified as a Socialist. Who else, but a Socialist, would yearn for a Socialistic America?

Oh, I know! A radical Islamic Fascist like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

Then again, I suppose there were Hitler supporters who hated being referred to as 'Nazis' as well.

Whatever our ideological tendencies, I think we can all agree it is a good thing the imputed righteousness of Christ covers even our political shortcomings.

As Aquila said, "in all things, to God be the glory."

Look, my wife's family is Jewish and they are life long Democrats. My wife and I both are registered Democrats. To associate Democrats or those who believe they are better for our country at this time than Republicans with Nazis in any way is HIGHLY offensive to me and when I shared this with her she was livid. Ruth, my grandmother-in-law, still had the numbers on her arm. And guess what...she proudly voted Democrat.

It shows you have NO idea of the evil perpetrated by the Nazis. Tell me, have you ever spent an evening with a Jewish family and heard the stories first hand? I have. Frankly, you deserve a good if you know what I mean. This was HIGHLY OFFENSIVE. I think if anyone associates any red blooded American (be they Democrat or Republican) with Hitler or the Nazis, they should be instantly BANNED for a week.

The nerve of some people.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1399

doesn't the Bible say some vessels are created for honor and some for dishonor?

i did a research paper on this in college-- no gay genes. there can be emotional imbalances in the mother that could trigger homosexual thoughts in the child, in the right situation.

if it was strictly an outside environmental deal, then ALL the boys ever molested by catholic priests repeatedly would be gay.


we are all born predisposed to sin. all sinners are equally lost. all need Jesus.

not all will be saved, unfortunately.

The scientific community is divided on the subject. Personally, I think for some it's an infirmity of the flesh. They need to repent of acts performed and seek GOD for a healing deliverance.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by 1399

well if you do anything enough times, you will subconsciously attach scents and stuff to whatever pleasure you are indulging in.

that study establishes the idea that homosexuality is a learned behavior.

learned behavior or not, science does back up the fact that homosexuals can change.

I disagree. I know of gays who have never had gay sex. They just don't respond physiologically with the opposite gender.

Here's the issue...fear. It's become a dogma (like many other faulty beliefs of the church down through history) that being gay has NO biological component. It seems those who deny the possibility of a biological link fear that it somehow justifies the action. No...it doesn't. No more than being straight justifies fornication. It's just science proving that the Bible is correct...sinful tendencies are rooted in...the flesh.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

Homosex is a sin, no doubt.

The Bible is full of admonitions against the behavior.

However, I do believe some people are born with dispositions toward certain sins.

In no way am I excusing any sin, I am just pointing out the obvious.

Some are more inclined to alcohol, drug and nicotene addictions. Others would never be tempted by those substances, but may struggle with sexual temptations - including deviant behaviors.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Imagine the damage we've done to these folks with the hatred and vitriol we've delivered to them.

It's like we're doctors with the only cure on earth for what they have...and when we see them...we throw stones at them because they're not well.

We need to help them pray and repent of sins committed...and stand with them for their healing and deliverance. Some will struggle, relapse, fall. Will we be there to catch them...or do we drop them and kick them while they're down?

Do we, the doctors, stone those in a dying world to whom we've been sent to heal?

Amen. Amen. Amen.

[steve p]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Oh please...get over it. This has been discussed out to whazoo.

Blessings, Rhoni

Whazoo????????

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by rrford

Rico,

The danger in saying one is born homosexual is to actually say that God created, or pre-destined, some folks to be an abomination without choice. Sorry. That view will never align with scripture.

I agree.

If we are created a certain way and we can't help but be an adulterer, or a homosexual because of the way we were created then it is not our choice and condemnation from God for that sin would be unjust. We could say to God, you made me a homosexual, I had no choice but to be a homosexual.

Likewise if the Bible said everyone with brown eyes is going to hell because it is a sin to have brown eyes. How just would that be? You can't help having brown eyes. You were born with brown eyes.

If we can tell when an earthly judge is being just in his decisions, then how much more will the judge of the whole earth be?

[mizpeh]

Maybe this has been discussed but how do those who see homosexuality as inherent..something certain folks are born with.....in agreement with this passage?

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient

It does not sound to me as though they were born with these vile affections but God gave them up to these sins which came from the lusts of their minds otherwise God would have had nothing to do with it as it would have been the way they were born and their natural tendency.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I disagree. I know of gays who have never had gay sex. They just don't respond physiologically with the opposite gender.

Here's the issue...fear. It's become a dogma (like many other faulty beliefs of the church down through history) that being gay has NO biological component. It seems those who deny the possibility of a biological link fear that it somehow justifies the action. No...it doesn't. No more than being straight justifies fornication. It's just science proving that the Bible is correct...sinful tendencies are rooted in...the flesh.

If one has never had gay sex, I wouldn't call them gay. Someone ensnared in the "homosexual lifestyle" is doing more than just thinking about it. The lifestyle requires participation, IMHO.

I don't think the church is gripped with fear when it comes to homosexuals as much as it is gripped with ignorance.