A Petition Movement to Save the Union - Page 9

freeatlast · #81 03-25-2007, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

But do you think he has the right to preach such a standard in his church after the org accepts tv?

It's America PP freedom of speech and all. He has th eright to preah it the way he see's it.

I have the right to attend and worship in an atmosphere that is not.....

like that

Nahum · #82 03-25-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Should those that do advertise have to place a disclaimer that states something to the effect of ...

"The opinions and views of this television broadcast are in not necessarily endorsed by, or those of, the United Pentecostal Church, International, and/or it's constituency.

Very, very few churches that advertise will actually have the name UPC in their church name. (my opinion)

On the other hand, when the org advertises, will it be required to state that this ad does not necessarily reflect the views of individual churches/affiliates?

I don't think that will happen.

You can kinda see where some folks have legitimate concerns, no?

Whole Hearted · #83 03-25-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Friend,

I believe you have hit on the irritation that most conservatives feel. This has already come before the GB, and has been voted on and defeated. Meaning that the majority agree's with what the bylaws currently state. I for one believe the division is not coming from the Cons, but from those liberal UPC ministers that just will not take NO for an answer. They, in my opinion, are just trying to continue to cut away what is established little by little until they have what they want. If the resolution is voted on this year, and defeated again, I can assure you we will see another attempt within a few years time.

The sad fact is, some are just blatantly defying the bylaws, and doing what they want anyway. So much for ethics and integrity.

SDG · #84 03-25-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

You can kinda see where some folks have legitimate concerns, no?

Of course ... if you place a disclaimer on this then it would have to place it on all types of ads ... radio, print, internet ....

but would that placate some of the conservatives ????

Aren't some concerned about be linked with some ministries/churches??

SDG · #85 03-25-2007, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I never said that Matt ...

but to deny that resolutions cannot be re-examined is to ignore a structure in place that allows them to, thankfully ...

whether it be yearly or every 50 years ...

You can't champion 'the rule of law' and then bemoan when it's used to bring up an issue you don't agree with.

This applies to any side.

BUMP FOR THE OBSTRUCTIONISTS OF THE RESOLUTION PROCESS.

Nahum · #86 03-25-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Of course ... if you place a disclaimer on this then it would have to places on all types of ads ... radio, print, internet ....

but would that placate some of the conservatives ????

Aren't some concerned about be linked with some ministries/churches??

We could never placate those that are truly upset to the point of leaving. There will always be an issue that bothers them. That is their nature. I am not trying to be a jerk here, it is just simple truth.

Their concern is that they will lose people to a more liberal church that advertises on tv. My question is how is that possible?

Their church members supposedly do not have television anyway.

Whole Hearted · #87 03-25-2007, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I have a question.

If this passes, and television is accepted by the majority of the organization, do you think it would be wrong for a conservative UPC pastor to advocate a no tv policy in his church?

That's what I wonder about.

Sherri · #88 03-25-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

That's what I wonder about.

I think a pastor should be able to enforce any standards that he feels like are from God in his own local church. Surely all the churches don't have to be "cookie cutter churches" on every issue.

Sam · #89 03-25-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

But do you think he has the right to preach such a standard in his church after the org accepts tv?

The org accepts wedding rings and wrist watches (at least I think it does) and some pastors do not allow them.

freeatlast · #90 03-25-2007, 09:38 PM

[QUOTE=Pastor Poster;52396]We could never placate those that are truly upset to the point of leaving. There will always be an issue that bothers them. That is their nature. I am not trying to be a jerk here, it is just simple truth.

Their concern is that they will lose people to a more liberal church that advertises on tv. My question is how is that possible?

Their church members supposedly do not have television anyway.[/QUOTE]

Does anybody have any idea how UPC homes are totally free from TV today.

You may be able to find out if you asked their kids. It might be hard to catch them at home as they are probablly over a the nieghbors watching t.... er I mean witnessing tro them.