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Old 07-05-2008, 05:51 PM
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In the last 40 minutes his preaching which he taught about his "glorious revelation" concerning uncut hair ...

His outline looks something like this:

1. Introduction:

His understanding of the prooftext 1 Corinthians 1:10 is offered

a. He proclaims this is a "glorious revelation" that he believes the Church needs to grab a hold of ...

b. a woman's compliance to the uncut hair doctrine give her power with and power because of angels allowing her to walk in a unique spiritual realm, not available to men, that gives her power and authority even to give a word of knowledge to her husband.

2. The Historical Significance of Hair ... he gives "facts" about the cutting hair is a new phenomena in human history ...

Even strongly implicated that this rebellion of the 1920's caused The Great Depression

3. The Spiritual Significance of Hair .... a phrase he uses in the sermon to segway. He proceeds to not quote any scripture but rather give occult subtantiation that uncut hair gives power with the angels ...

then remarks "What would happen if our women took off their pins and shook the hair in the wind" like witches WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CHURCH ...

He also tells the host pastor that if brother Black did not preach anything else (this revelation)... WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE CHURCH.

4. Testimonies of Giving Glory to God and uncut hair - Miracles, God's favor and angelic protection are linked to woman complying to the uncut hair doctrine.
Daniel I have a question. Is this exactly what he said word for word? If not please don't just quote snippets or things you want to point out. The reason I am asking is because my sound is not working well, so I cannot just take your word for it.
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I did not watch the Stoneking video, but if he said "don't pray, obey your pastor or pastor, and by all means feel free to fornicate...as long as you don't cut your hair"...let me stand shoulder to shoulder with you all and call that heretical. I just feel like most of this is hyperbole and over-sensation.
I finally did watch the video this am. Used all of our bandwidth. I did not hear anything like this in Bro Stonekings message.
I wonder how many actually have watched the video or are just accepting what has been posted. It was worth it to me to watch it in full to know exactly what was being preached/taught.I reccomend all to watch for themselves.
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I finally did watch the video this am. Used all of our bandwidth. I did not hear anything like this in Bro Stonekings message.
I wonder how many actually have watched the video or are just accepting what has been posted. It was worth it to me to watch it in full to know exactly what was being preached/taught.I reccomend all to watch for themselves.
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Maybe that is why I am having so much trouble. Thanks sis.
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All of us agree no matter where we stand on cut hair that ... 1 Corinthians 11 is also about God's order of things and authority ...

Yet by spiritualizing hair and stating woman have power w/ angels ...

I believe his claiming in this sermon that a woman's compliance to the uncut hair doctrine gives her ... power with and power because ... of angels ...

allowing her to walk in a unique spiritual realm, not available to men, that gives her said unique power and authority ..

so much so that her compliance and uncut hair can even allow to give a word of knowledge to her husband in how to handle problems ... as given by the anecdote he shares to support his teaching in this sermon.
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Old 07-05-2008, 06:26 PM
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Coming from one who believes Heaven will be overflowing with believers of all stripes, I am not surprised that you don't believe in uncut hair.
1. Who says I don't believe someone can believe this and not got to heaven?

2. Not surprised I don't believe in uncut hair ?????... this is not about cut or uncut.
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Old 07-05-2008, 07:02 PM
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1. Who says I don't believe someone can believe this and not got to heaven?

2. Not surprised I don't believe in uncut hair ?????... this is not about cut or uncut.
Then what has got you so in a snippet??

We all said that we do not agree with Magic Hair!!!!

What is it you want Daniel??

That is the crux of all of these threads.

I bet you won't answer it.
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Old 07-05-2008, 07:19 PM
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Then what has got you so in a snippet??

We all said that we do not agree with Magic Hair!!!!

What is it you want Daniel??

That is the crux of all of these threads.

I bet you won't answer it.
I want many things, Ronald....

Personally, I'd like to stop playing "GOTCHA" w/ you.

For starters ... I want to see the Church focus on Jesus Christ and what He's done and can do in our lives in their preaching and teaching ....

I don't want error to be taught that frustrate and confuse the lives and walks of Spirit-filled believers like I believe this teaching does ...

Not everything is heaven or hell ... but how we can live victorious and more satisfying lives when we live by biblical principles ....

yet those on your side of the fence can't see that w/ your rose color glasses on.

I have never been quiet about my wanting to see the movement I grew up in progress and make reform .. (I know that's viewed as a dirty word).
and yearn to see a return what in the words of TF Tenney We must make the main thing ... the main thing ....

Does it have to look the way I want it to look ??? No, of course not, but what could be wrong w/ organic growth and teaching bible based principles rather than man-made traditions and philosophies?

I would like to see that organization I grew up in and my family gave their life to not get further entrenched in legalism and fall prey to the vocal minority that tried to hijack it for almost 3 decades ....

In doing so and rejecting this doctrine they gain credibility and make baby steps to being transparent and accountable to their mission: The Whole Gospel to the Whole World.

They do so by not profiting or sanctioning through apathy .... clear-cut heresy like this one ....

Furthermore, I believe the organization is profiting from the sale of these teachings through book, CD, and DVD sales although not officially endorsing it.

JJ's .... My Hair, My Glory is a top seller.

District funds are used to pay honorariums to speakers who have made it their ministry to speak about this topic from the point of view of "experts".

The org can sell whatever merchandise they choose but to say that this is not at least being tacitly promoted by those who influence the direction of the organization is not accurate.

Lastly, it affects the entire Body as a whole when core doctrines as the sovereignty, power and authority of the Holy Spirit and the Name of Jesus are replaced. Other core doctrines in question are the infallibility of the Word of God (as opposed to occult writings) and idolatry.

Nor can the effect of teaching performance over genuine obedience has in the heart of the believer and their walk in Christ .. be ignored.

Or what it does to members, pastors, and churches who do not want to be linked to what most see as a cultish teaching .... thus affecting their identities, credibility and potential to make an impact in their local communities.

You can dissect and find fault in all or parts w/ what I said ... even question my focus and delivery ... but I've answered the question you thought I would ignore or be scared to answer.

I seek not your approval but would appreciate the courtesy which gives me the benefit of the doubt by not putting words or intents in my mouth or peeking into my heart.

You don't even have to believe a word. But it is what it is ..... a bet you've lost.
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for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but (M)woman for the man's sake.

10Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.



Where does the bible say that angels have power?

How can a woman's hair give her power with the angels if the angels don't have power?

When the bible says because of the angels it is reference to authority. God, man, woman, angels.

I don't need power with the angels, I have the power of the Holy Spirit, thats enough for me.
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for indeed man was not created for the woman's sake, but (M)woman for the man's sake.

10Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.



Where does the bible say that angels have power?

How can a woman's hair give her power with the angels if the angels don't have power?

When the bible says because of the angels it is reference to authority. God, man, woman, angels.

I don't need power with the angels, I have the power of the Holy Spirit, thats enough for me.
I agree. It is very plain and simple to me.
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