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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Sexism is still a societal problem ...
but those who idolize Norman Rockwell paintings of what life and women should be ... are theologizing a doctrine that is centered around women being the trophies of God's holiness while little effort is expended on males living right or looking the part.
And the question is why ??? Where is this inordinate focus rooted?
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Quit being so coy. Tell us WHY you think it is?
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05-17-2008, 11:26 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Of course that is true - so much so that I have been critical of it!
I, of course don't critisize the conversions - just those who think having families is rightfully forfeited for church family.
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I'd love to comment....uh...can you redo this in english? :-)
Seriously Im not sure what you were trying to say bro. Can you rephrase it? What is true? Critical of what?
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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05-17-2008, 11:30 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
I agree whole heartedly the burden placed on women to keep with the ideal of "holiness" most often presented as standards is greater that than on the men.
But I would still respectfully maintain that is because women's fashions, and what is "acceptable" to the norms of society have changed much more radically for women than for men in the same period of time.
That is the source of conflict more than any attempt to suppress the women.
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I think you're on to something here. Women have really been pushing the envelope ever since the eruption of the feminist movement in the '60s. Women at large have been dragged slightly in the direction of the radicalized fringe, because the fringe sets the dialoge and tugs on the mainstream. Men have largely been set adrift during this time, some have learned how to (cynically) benefit from the new, liberated version of females, but most have been victims of the new paradigms in family law. In short, women have further to travel to come home to a biblical worldview for a woman's calling. Most women today have an exceedingly difficult time extracting themselves from the feminism because it has so diffused into our culture.
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05-17-2008, 11:33 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW
True.
Dan, what is your opinion of the many other Christians in North America who do not have any of the outward stuff, but fully understand that Man being created first was God's idea...
I think the freedom's society has given women are great... I firmly believe Jesus was the first women's liberater... I don't believe when he created Man and Woman that he intended for Man to Lord over the Woman and keep her under his feet.
STILL, It might serve us well to look around at society now... the children who are being parented by school systems...
I fear sometimes Christians forget that the creator knew the way it would work the best... Women aren't meant to be chattel, nor are they meant to be men.
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Brevity, thy name is Mrs. LPW. Excellent post! You have succinctly summarized what my previous ramblings were attempting to convey. 
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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05-17-2008, 11:39 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That's absurd. I don't know about UPCs you were in but the UPCs around here are growing with new converts, not new infants of already established families.
You guys need to think more before spitting the first thing that pops into your head...."seems only to grow by family, not by conversion" good grief
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Of course that is true - so much so that I have been critical of it!
I, of course don't critisize the conversions - just those who think having families is rightfully forfeited for church family.
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I'd love to comment....uh...can you redo this in english? :-)
Seriously Im not sure what you were trying to say bro. Can you rephrase it? What is true? Critical of what?
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LOL! Sorry.
It is very true that there are new converts coming in. The numbers of new infants are actually quite low - that is something so obvious that I have actually made an issue of it in the past.
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05-17-2008, 11:51 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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05-17-2008, 11:51 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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WOW!!!!!
Can you say, WOW!!
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05-17-2008, 11:54 PM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
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Not really. I just think big families are a good thing. Good for everyone - including the church.
I am not polygamous, or chauvanistic. 
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-18-2008, 12:12 AM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
LOL! Sorry.
It is very true that there are new converts coming in. The numbers of new infants are actually quite low - that is something so obvious that I have actually made an issue of it in the past.
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thanks for clarifying :-)
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-18-2008, 06:26 AM
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Re: Is the UPC a Den of Incest?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Is that accurate ...? Last time I took a bio class the probability of having a male or female is 50/50 ...
I think that what happens during the lifetime of males and females ... sickness, disease, life expectancy is the reason there is a larger ratio of women to men ...
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Males determine the sex of the offspring, women are just the conduit by which they arrive.
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