Spiritual Co-dendency in the churches?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

All right!!!

NOW I know how to make that sound in a post!!! Been wantin' to do that for a long time! Thanks Pastor Poster!




I'd like to add that as much as many here would like for this problem to go away, or ignore it, or stick their heads in the sand over it, you're just not going to get away from having to deal with people that have been hurt by a pastor. I wish they were all great like the ones represented here on our forum, but sadly, they're not.

Believe it or not many of us have been hurt very deeply by a Pastor/minister. But unlike some, we chose to listen to the advice to forgive and move on and not become bitter and use every opportunity that came along to condemn and vilify. There never has been, nor will there ever be, any healing in that.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Jekyll just pull up a seat ... no one asked you.

I'm sorry, did someone say something???

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I'm sorry, did someone say something???

Yeah .. over here ... four eyes ....

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Yeah .. over here ... four eyes ....

Something keeps buzzing around...

Oh, I know, should probably be getting away from the

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

It's called rebellion. No body gonna tell me what to do. started in the garden.

rford, this is the post I referenced originally.

The issue in the garden wasn't as he stated.

It wasn't that she hated God or His authority. It was that she was offered a chance to be like Him - to be equal to Him, in His knowledge of good and evil.

It wasn't a "nobody gonna tell me what to do" attitude.

WholeHearted misrepresented the scripture to fit what he wanted to say. Nothing new there.

BTW, let it be known that I am with rrford on this thing with Coop. He bashes the UPC continually. Its hard to have sympathy after a while.

He needs to move on.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

rford, this is the post I referenced originally.

The issue in the garden wasn't as he stated.

It wasn't that she hated God or His authority. It was that she was offered a chance to be like Him - to be equal to Him, in His knowledge of good and evil.

It wasn't a "nobody gonna tell me what to do" attitude.

WholeHearted misrepresented the scripture to fit what he wanted to say. Nothing new there.

BTW, let it be known that I am with rrford on this thing with Coop. He bashes the UPC continually. Its hard to have sympathy after a while.

He needs to move on.

Totally agree with both statements.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rrford

Totally agree with both statements.

Thank you!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

All right!!!

NOW I know how to make that sound in a post!!! Been wantin' to do that for a long time! Thanks Pastor Poster!




I'd like to add that as much as many here would like for this problem to go away, or ignore it, or stick their heads in the sand over it, you're just not going to get away from having to deal with people that have been hurt by a pastor. I wish they were all great like the ones represented here on our forum, but sadly, they're not.

Mrs, let me share with you a little nugget of truth:

There is no special ministry for helping people who have been hurt b a pastor, or a plumber, or their parents, or an insurance salesman. or a teacher, or their spouse, or a jamitor, or anybody else.

Everyone gets hurt by people.

Everyone gets wounded.

That doesn't make it right, and those who commit the offences will answer to God, but there is only one message in the Scripture to those who have been hurt:

Forgive, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Period.

We have tried to act like there is some special dispensation for those who have been done wrong by the ministry, but the Bible makes no such provision.

I can promise you that I could match stories with anyone here, most likely, when ot comes to being hurt by ministry. Those who know me can attest to the truth of that statement.

And as for Coop, he will tell you that his old pastor treated him very well, and that he loved him.

His old pastor "repented" to his church for preaching standards, and being so hard, and even this happened, I believe, after Coop had already left there. I stand to be corrected on the timing.

So all this carrying on he does is a little suspect, if you ask me.

And regardless of what the situation was, there is only one message to those who have been wronged: Forgive.

God will deal with the offenders, never fear. They will get their reward, unless they repent.

But I can't think of any more pathetic reason to go to hell than for somebody else's sin. And that will be the case for those who refuse to forgive, and allow it to make them justify thei disobedience.

I believe that some people are not aware that they are codependant. I think even the preacher of the congregation has alot to do with his people being codependant on him or not.

I believe in being submissive to my pastor but there is a big difference in those men of God who want submission and want control of everyones life.

Thank Goodness my pastor isnt one of those want control men.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Mrs, let me share with you a little nugget of truth:

There is no special ministry for helping people who have been hurt b a pastor, or a plumber, or their parents, or an insurance salesman. or a teacher, or their spouse, or a jamitor, or anybody else.

Everyone gets hurt by people.

Everyone gets wounded.

That doesn't make it right, and those who commit the offences will answer to God, but there is only one message in the Scripture to those who have been hurt:

Forgive, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Period.

We have tried to act like there is some special dispensation for those who have been done wrong by the ministry, but the Bible makes no such provision.

I can promise you that I could match stories with anyone here, most likely, when ot comes to being hurt by ministry. Those who know me can attest to the truth of that statement.

And as for Coop, he will tell you that his old pastor treated him very well, and that he loved him.

His old pastor "repented" to his church for preaching standards, and being so hard, and even this happened, I believe, after Coop had already left there. I stand to be corrected on the timing.

So all this carrying on he does is a little suspect, if you ask me.

And regardless of what the situation was, there is only one message to those who have been wronged: Forgive.

God will deal with the offenders, never fear. They will get their reward, unless they repent.

But I can't think of any more pathetic reason to go to hell than for somebody else's sin. And that will be the case for those who refuse to forgive, and allow it to make them justify thei disobedience.

I believe this is true, CS...it is not your actions or words that I must answer for, rather my reaction to your actions or words.

Bitterness is a killer...a heart killer...