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Old 12-12-2007, 08:47 AM
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There's a difference between "bias" and "motive".

If there was a "smear" motive present and sometimes that's visible only through perspective and I'm certainly not going to argue about that ..... been there done that ....... I'm sure the reader will pick up on it.

It still doesn't negate factual history and all the interviews and testimony given in the book. That's what's really important in my opinion.

The title of the book was unfortunate.

I refuse to fuss with my favorite virual aunty.

The title pretty much reveals the motive I think.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:49 AM
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I've read on AFF how Bernard and others have tried to gloss over the teachings of the PCI. Is the disbelief and scoffing noted in his book? And how did you experience it?
Got to run. Perhaps I'll get back to this later Mizpeh.

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Old 12-12-2007, 08:49 AM
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I refuse to fuss with my favorite virual aunty.

The title pretty much reveals the motive I think.


You all have a great day and stay safe. Gotta run.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:00 AM
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Anyone who wants to get rid of their book, let me know.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:07 AM
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One of the things that I have noticed is that some seem aghast at the fact that TF was refused access to the Historical Societys files.
Truth be told, if a man came in wanting access to my churches information so he could use it to smear our church....I would refuse the info too.

In fact I might be tempted to drop kick him out the front doors of the church.

Only tempted mind you....
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:11 AM
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One of the things that I have noticed is that some seem aghast at the fact that TF was refused access to the Historical Societys files.
Truth be told, if a man came in wanting access to my churches information so he could use it to smear our church....I would refuse the info too.

In fact I might be tempted to drop kick him out the front doors of the church.

Only tempted mind you....
An unsuccessful attempt... hard to aim with a deadeye.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:16 AM
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Taking personal shots from behind a pseudonym is a cheap trick.

Thomas Fudge's book is fair game for comment, but attacking a man's character from behind a cloak of anonymity on a public forum is without justification.

I would hope that the people I share Thanksgiving meals with have more class than this post displays.

Interesting that I wasn't able to find any personal information about you in your profile either. No cheap tricks here . . .

If you ever have such a conversation with him, you will see that he thinks nothing of ripping anyone's character. His disgust for Truth and UPC borders on hatred. Again, if one (TF) is going to call eveyone's character and commitment into question you need to have lived a little something yourself.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:36 AM
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One of the things that I have noticed is that some seem aghast at the fact that TF was refused access to the Historical Societys files.
Truth be told, if a man came in wanting access to my churches information so he could use it to smear our church....I would refuse the info too.

In fact I might be tempted to drop kick him out the front doors of the church.

Only tempted mind you....
Deadeye you are dead wrong. The AOG opened up their archieves and the GC met him and shock his hand.

Told him anything he needed for any reason was available to him.

He did not tell the AOG why he was doing research.

For all they knew he was there to lable them a cult.

He told them he was a Professor doing research.

When He asked for files on EN Bell a very controversary figure in the AOG they did so without reservation.

They opened up a room and gave him complete access.

J.L. Hall the Director of the UPCI Historical center was not as open armed to Thomas Fudge.

What did they have to hide?

That later could be refuted if they had nothing to hide?

The last time he visted they denied him access.

Here is some info on EN Bell.

You will see the name of the first UPCI GC.

This is taken from the AOG website:

http://www.ag.org/enrichmentjournal/...048_enbell.cfm

E.N. Bell — A Voice of Restraint in an Era of Controversy

E.N. Bell, the first and fourth general chairman of the Assemblies of God.

by Richard A. Lewis

The history of the Assemblies of God is filled with individuals who shaped the fledgling organization into what it is today. One of these influential founding fathers was Eudorus Neander Bell (1866–1923). In citing even a few of his accomplishments, we discover just how invaluable he was. Recognizing the need to organize the revival and with only the initial support of H.A. Goss, Bell agreed to issue the “call” in his magazine, Word and Witness, for Pentecostals to convene in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Joining these two men in this endeavor were M.M. Pinson, A.P. Collins, and D.C.O. Opperman. This resulted in the formation of the Assemblies of God.

Bell was the first and fourth chairman (general superintendent) of the Fellowship. Between his terms as chairman, he served the young organization as general secretary and as a pastor. Bell was also the first editor of two organizational papers, the aforementioned Word and Witness and the Weekly Evangel, both precursors to the Pentecostal Evangel.


The first issue of the Weekly Evangel, a precursor to The Pentecostal Evangel.

If this were not enough to assure his status, E.N., as he preferred over Eudorus, wrote the first adult and intermediate Sunday school quarterlies. His popular question-and-answer column in the Evangel proved to be an influential as well as a moderating voice of reason in the early years of the Assemblies of God. Several districts were also organized under his direction as chairman. When the decision was made to write a Statement of Fundamental Truths, E.N. was a member of the five-man committee appointed to the task. He championed the autonomy of the local church and congregational church government. Bell also recommended Springfield, Missouri, to be the home of the Fellowship’s national headquarters.

Bell, and his twin brother, Endorus E., were born June 27, 1866, at Lake Butler, Florida. Their father George died when the boys were only 2 years old. E.N. and his family lived in the severest of poverty during the post-Civil War Reconstruction era. He was converted at an early age and felt called to full-time ministry. Realizing the need for training, E.N. enrolled at Stetson Academy, and later Stetson University.

Many have struggled to make ends meet as they have worked their way through school, but few have overcome the challenges faced by E.N. Bell. He was forced to adopt a steady diet of hard, stale bread dipped in water when finances ran low. The dream of completing college would have ended for most when faced with such sacrifice. This did not prove to be the case for Bell. He graduated at age 30 from the Academy, enrolled and earned a B.A. from Stetson University. He attended Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville from 1900 to 1902, and received a bachelor of divinity degree from the University of Chicago the following year. Later he would seriously consider continuing his education at Oxford, believing it would be a wonderful “opportunity both for travel and for study abroad.” In considering all of his education, there is little doubt Bell was one of the most academically qualified persons of the early Pentecostal movement.


General Council, September 1919, on the steps of the Stone Church, Chicago, Illinois. Front row: J.R. Flower, S.A. Jamieson, E.N. Bell, J.W. Welch, J.T. Boddy, Stanley H. Frodsham, Ellis Banta. Second row: Frank Gray, J.R. Kline, John Goben, David H. McDowell, Robert A. Brown, Joseph Tunmore, F.A. Hale. Third row: Oliver P. Brann, E.R. Fitzgerald, E.N. Richey, John Coxe, D.W. Kerr, R.J. Craig, Orville Benham, A.P. Collins, T.K. Leonard.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:40 AM
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One of the things that I have noticed is that some seem aghast at the fact that TF was refused access to the Historical Societys files.
Truth be told, if a man came in wanting access to my churches information so he could use it to smear our church....I would refuse the info too.

In fact I might be tempted to drop kick him out the front doors of the church.

Only tempted mind you....
Deadeye you are dead wrong. The AOG opened up their archieves and the GC met him and shock his hand.

Told him anything he needed for any reason was available to him.

He did not tell the AOG why he was doing research.

For all they knew he was there to lable them a cult.

He told them he was a Professor doing research.

When He asked for files on EN Bell a very controversary figure in the AOG they did so without reservation.

They opened up a room and gave him complete access.

J.L. Hall the Director of the UPCI Historical center was not as open armed to Thomas Fudge.

The last time he visted they denied him access.

You will see the name of the first UPCI GC.

Here is some info on EN Bell.

This is taken from the AOG website:

http://www.ag.org/enrichmentjournal/...048_enbell.cfm

E.N. Bell — A Voice of Restraint in an Era of Controversy

E.N. Bell, the first and fourth general chairman of the Assemblies of God.

by Richard A. Lewis

The history of the Assemblies of God is filled with individuals who shaped the fledgling organization into what it is today. One of these influential founding fathers was Eudorus Neander Bell (1866–1923). In citing even a few of his accomplishments, we discover just how invaluable he was. Recognizing the need to organize the revival and with only the initial support of H.A. Goss, Bell agreed to issue the “call” in his magazine, Word and Witness, for Pentecostals to convene in Hot Springs, Arkansas. Joining these two men in this endeavor were M.M. Pinson, A.P. Collins, and D.C.O. Opperman. This resulted in the formation of the Assemblies of God.

Bell was the first and fourth chairman (general superintendent) of the Fellowship. Between his terms as chairman, he served the young organization as general secretary and as a pastor. Bell was also the first editor of two organizational papers, the aforementioned Word and Witness and the Weekly Evangel, both precursors to the Pentecostal Evangel.


The first issue of the Weekly Evangel, a precursor to The Pentecostal Evangel.

If this were not enough to assure his status, E.N., as he preferred over Eudorus, wrote the first adult and intermediate Sunday school quarterlies. His popular question-and-answer column in the Evangel proved to be an influential as well as a moderating voice of reason in the early years of the Assemblies of God. Several districts were also organized under his direction as chairman. When the decision was made to write a Statement of Fundamental Truths, E.N. was a member of the five-man committee appointed to the task. He championed the autonomy of the local church and congregational church government. Bell also recommended Springfield, Missouri, to be the home of the Fellowship’s national headquarters.

Bell, and his twin brother, Endorus E., were born June 27, 1866, at Lake Butler, Florida. Their father George died when the boys were only 2 years old. E.N. and his family lived in the severest of poverty during the post-Civil War Reconstruction era. He was converted at an early age and felt called to full-time ministry. Realizing the need for training, E.N. enrolled at Stetson Academy, and later Stetson University.

Many have struggled to make ends meet as they have worked their way through school, but few have overcome the challenges faced by E.N. Bell. He was forced to adopt a steady diet of hard, stale bread dipped in water when finances ran low. The dream of completing college would have ended for most when faced with such sacrifice. This did not prove to be the case for Bell. He graduated at age 30 from the Academy, enrolled and earned a B.A. from Stetson University. He attended Southern Baptist Seminary in Louisville from 1900 to 1902, and received a bachelor of divinity degree from the University of Chicago the following year. Later he would seriously consider continuing his education at Oxford, believing it would be a wonderful “opportunity both for travel and for study abroad.” In considering all of his education, there is little doubt Bell was one of the most academically qualified persons of the early Pentecostal movement.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:41 AM
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Falling away to your crowd is wearing a short sleeve shirt. I stand by my opinion.
You say some of the most inane things some times about folks you no nothing about while attempting to demonstrate the validity of your profoundly flawed positions regarding those with whom you disagree.

You would be ashamed of yourself and your comments if you ever met and got to know some of the folks you love to poke in the eye with a stick!

A word of advice, don't stand by that opinion in the face of a true strong wind... it certainly would not offer you much protection!
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