They must pray through over their bitterness and angry or be lost.
Jesus was crucified and he said forgive them.
Even if one is done wrong they MUST get over it and forgive the person even if the person doesn't ask for forgiveness or they will be lost.
Forgiveness is only the first step, and I agree that it must be done, but the situation is far from over even at that stage.
Unlike God, we don't forget.
Have you ever talked to an abuse counselor about things they hear about and how they deal with it? If you've never been through abuse in your life, it's difficult, if not impossible, to understand or even fathom. If you don't understand it, you can't help someone deal with it any further than you've already suggested, but sadly, that's not the end of the problem.
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They must pray through over their bitterness and angry or be lost.
Jesus was crucified and he said forgive them.
Even if one is done wrong they MUST get over it and forgive the person even if the person doesn't ask for forgiveness or they will be lost.
I can only speak to my emotions here, but I am over it...I am healed .... I am not bitter I have said several times in this thread I love them that hurt me, I pray for them, I have forgave them, and I do over again if I find a bad memory, I ask God to have mercy on them....I hope that they find the peace they so deserve....they are not happy people...it is so difficult to express completely here what all this history of mine is but it started when I was 16....the path that lead me to my old church...I wanted so much to please God and be the best Christian I could be...but believe me no matter how hard I tired...it was never good enough...we might have well lived as amish...it would have been easier probably!
I can agree with that in most cases, but what of the parent who's children were so battered and physically, as well as spiritually beaten down to the point that they hate God, in prison, and are Satanists? Do you know how to deal with that not only as a pastor but from a parent's POV?
no most dont. that is why they are so quick to judge those who have. she is referring to my sons. and its very hard for me to not blame God for where they are at, but i do know its my fault for bringing them to church all their lives.
I agree that things can get blown our of proportion, but there are 4 posters on this thread that were in the same church...I can list several more that would and could tell you the same thing..they are not here so I would not do that...but I could come up with 9 family's right off the top of my head...no sorry if I think a few more seconds I make that 12
I do understand being a pastor is a HARD job, very hard, there are many saints that wills suck the very life out of you if you let them...so are so needy and self centered they think only of their needs not matter what time of day it is, or what the pastor may have on his own plate....I have ministers, and pastors in my family...I know its a hard life...a blessed one, but hard none the less...I have stated that I truly feel my old pastors had good intentions and no evil intent...but sadly they don't see the truth of what they are doing...I pray they do..
I feel by this thread like I would if I heard a pastor bad mouthing, downing the saints in his church. I think that something are better left unsaid. I have had situation in my life that left a very bad taste in my kids mouth, but I told them, people are human and sometimes do dumb things and there are some that are just bad, but most are good. Yes we have been done wrong by a few, but have been bless by most.
It was hard for them to see their father attacked verbal and yes physical by the people he had invested the most in.. But I refuse to let the be filled with hatred and anger. If those people never repent they must repent of their feeling to be saved. They must love those who have lied on them, used them, and mistreated them.
Saints must do the same. For every bad preacher there are dozens of good one. Those who love the saints and would do anything for them.
To keep hashing and rehashing things does nothing but keep the bitterness and anger alive.
If one is in a cow paster and walks by a cowpaddy it will stink, but if you stop and stir in it it will stink worse.
no most dont. that is why they are so quick to judge those who have. she is referring to my sons. and its very hard for me to not blame God for where they are at, but i do know its my fault for bringing them to church all their lives.
God did not do this and neither did you...it was done to you by a man who is way out of whack....
I feel by this thread like I would if I heard a pastor bad mouthing, downing the saints in his church. I think that something are better left unsaid. I have had situation in my life that left a very bad taste in my kids mouth, but I told them, people are human and sometimes do dumb things and there are some that are just bad, but most are good. Yes we have been done wrong by a few, but have been bless by most.
It was hard for them to see their father attacked verbal and yes physical by the people he had invested the most in.. But I refuse to let the be filled with hatred and anger. If those people never repent they must repent of their feeling to be saved. They must love those who have lied on them, used them, and mistreated them.
Saints must do the same. For every bad preacher there are dozens of good one. Those who love the saints and would do anything for them.
To keep hashing and rehashing things does nothing but keep the bitterness and anger alive.
If one is in a cow paster and walks by a cowpaddy it will stink, but if you stop and stir in it it will stink worse.
If and when this stops...it will be when those that supposedly care stand up to the pastors that abuse. Until then it has to be brought into the open...over and over...so that the new ones that come out...see they are not alone, not crazy, and not going to hell for leaving...that it has happened to others, and that they can go on, and find a great church, with a pastor they can love and who will truly love them.....
Until this happens brother, until you pastors that have the power do something, instead of saying get over it....its gonna keep happening and more will be lost...not just from the church but from God....
Forgiveness is only the first step, and I agree that it must be done, but the situation is far from over even at that stage.
Unlike God, we don't forget.
Have you ever talked to an abuse counselor about things they hear about and how they deal with it? If you've never been through abuse in your life, it's difficult, if not impossible, to understand or even fathom. If you don't understand it, you can't help someone deal with it any further than you've already suggested, but sadly, that's not the end of the problem.
I do know what it is like. I had a very bad situation happen to me and my family, I don't wish to reveal or relive it here. I have had to forgive and move on even though they are still after years telling their lies and trying to hurt us.
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