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Old 07-08-2010, 11:50 AM
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Re: Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

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Re-read this thread. It was interesting to watch how all of this unfolded. From Page 22 on. Began with someone asking questions about MD Treece, Pel's comments about UPCI's lack of scholarship, NOW's speculation that "it's the same place that Trouvere and her husband got theirs," Baron's research and then WHAM. Here we are.
Do we have to?

I'll just take your Cliff's Note.....
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:54 AM
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Do we have to?

I'll just take your Cliff's Note.....


I just have put an "I" before the word "re-read." It wasn't a command, it was an observation!
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:56 AM
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I just have put an "I" before the word "re-read." It wasn't a command, it was an observation!
It's always bugged me that present tense "read' and past tense "read" are spelled the same. Think of the misunderstandings that could have been avoided!
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There are more but here's one:

http://www.christianlifecollege.edu/pferguson.html

I just spoke with him the other day in fact. He told me he is Oneness and not Trinitarian. He is not UPCI however his roots lie in the Christian Life College in Stockton, CA.
I am sorry that I missed this response to my question earlier. I had asked if there were any Oneness scholars with genuine doctorates in Biblical languages. This particular prof of Biblical languages has been suggested.

Aside from the apparent coincidence of the college in Chicago having the same name as the UPCI endorsed school in Stockton, how is this gentleman related to the Oneness movement? You say you spoke with him? You stated he had roots in Stockton at the school founded by Clyde Haney?

When was he there? What were those "roots?" I've never heard of the man and I think that I might have missed something special if he was really involved at Stockton at one time.

I could not find any sort of belief statement for the church that sponsors this school in Chicago. Do they have "roots" in the Oneness movement?
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I am sorry that I missed this response to my question earlier. I had asked if there were any Oneness scholars with genuine doctorates in Biblical languages. This particular prof of Biblical languages has been suggested.

Aside from the apparent coincidence of the college in Chicago having the same name as the UPCI endorsed school in Stockton, how is this gentleman related to the Oneness movement? You say you spoke with him? You stated he had roots in Stockton at the school founded by Clyde Haney?

When was he there? What were those "roots?" I've never heard of the man and I think that I might have missed something special if he was really involved at Stockton at one time.

I could not find any sort of belief statement for the church that sponsors this school in Chicago. Do they have "roots" in the Oneness movement?
I didn't realize this link went to a CLC that was not Stockton's CLC! Didn't even click on it.

Is he claiming Paul Ferguson has a relationship with CLC Stockton or the UPCI?

See, these are legit credentials for a professor and scholar:

Ph.D., Chicago Theological Seminary, 1988
M.Div.,Wheaton College, 1970
M.A., Old Testament, Wheaton College, 1965
B.S., Life Science, University of Tulsa, 1962

Still, this school itself doesn't have a reputable scholastic program. Anyone familiar with TRACS? http://www.tracs.org/

I wish I knew more about accredition. It gets complicated with religious schools.
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I am sorry that I missed this response to my question earlier. I had asked if there were any Oneness scholars with genuine doctorates in Biblical languages. This particular prof of Biblical languages has been suggested.

Aside from the apparent coincidence of the college in Chicago having the same name as the UPCI endorsed school in Stockton, how is this gentleman related to the Oneness movement? You say you spoke with him? You stated he had roots in Stockton at the school founded by Clyde Haney?

When was he there? What were those "roots?" I've never heard of the man and I think that I might have missed something special if he was really involved at Stockton at one time.

I could not find any sort of belief statement for the church that sponsors this school in Chicago. Do they have "roots" in the Oneness movement?
Pel, yes I spoke with him via telephone. He said he taught at CLC a long time ago. I did not question him here and suspect no reason for him to lie. I also spoke with Christopher Cullman a fine philosopher there. He also confirmed what Dr Ferguson told me. Cullman also told me that they are non-denominational. I have some meetings scheduled and was wanting to see if Dr Ferguson had some personal writings on a topic. You can email or call him. The faculty page lists his email and phone.
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For the record, I have spoken with John and Daniel Alicea via telephone. I do not feel that there was anything but proper dialogue and discussion. None of us yelled, threatened, or pitched fits. The Internet is the worst form of communication IMHO. So, I am not sure if tentativeness to actually dialog with a person, via phone, is about trust, petulance, or pedagogy (whatever you would like to label it). Again, I realize the persona of forums but I in no way intend explain, and explain for days to each person who wishes to play Freud with posts. If you feel so strong about the matter and wish to speak with me, correct me about the issue or something I've said you can PM me and I will either call you or give you my number.
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Pel, yes I spoke with him via telephone. He said he taught at CLC a long time ago. I did not question him here and suspect no reason for him to lie. I also spoke with Christopher Cullman a fine philosopher there. He also confirmed what Dr Ferguson told me. Cullman also told me that they are non-denominational. I have some meetings scheduled and was wanting to see if Dr Ferguson had some personal writings on a topic. You can email or call him. The faculty page lists his email and phone.
He taught at "Stockton's CLC?" There was no confusion over the names?

He seems to be a real gem that got away if that's the case.
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He taught at "Stockton's CLC?" There was no confusion over the names?

He seems to be a real gem that got away if that's the case.
Yes, I was a little skeptical about this as well. He is very involved in his classes and studies in archaeology, historic Christ studies. We had a very pleasant discussion.
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Pel, I asked him directly if he was "still" Oneness or if he was Trinitarian. He said he "still" is Oneness.
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