Anger + Sadness = RAGE - Page 88

canam · #**871** 06-05-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

If thats the only part of my post you had a problem with, then I made my point.

And yes, at 8pm or 8am, I would have approached you.

And thats where me an Zimmy part ways, I wouldn't have "followed" you, I would have confronted you.

Cindy · #**872** 06-05-2012, 04:25 PM

Did Zimmerman actually live in that particular neighborhood?

canam · #**873** 06-05-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Acerrak, Canam,

You are right about George Zimmerman living at the Retreat at Twin Lakes at the time that he took the life of Martin.

I tried to find the source I read at one time that clearly stated he didn't live there, but couldn't find it.

When this story was getting nightly coverage, it was clearly stated that he Zimmerman did not live in the neighborhood, but close by.

You guys are right, I am corrected.

wait for it, wait for it, I TOLD YA SO

scotty · #**874** 06-05-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Performing neighborhood watch duties while armed seems like a recipe for trouble, but probably legal.

Seems like this could blur the line between law enforcement and vigilanteism and at the bare minimum, it is a very slippery slope.

This I fully agree with. My program did not allow the carrying of firearms, with or without a permit. It doesn't blur the line, but it could give one a false sense of security. Even unconcously embolden them.

Jermyn Davidson · #**875** 06-05-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

I have been a member as well as lead Citizen on Patrol programs. I would answer your questions as this.

I would have approached you.

Yes.

Because you are "walking around" and "looking about" in the middle of the night in the rain. That is suspicious behavior. Suspicious behavior is behavior that is not normal. It is not normal for someone to be out in middle of the night walking around and looking around in the pouring rain.

Really? What is suspicious about walking from point A to point B at 7:12pm in an apartment complex? Since when is looking around while walking is enough for someone to be suspicious?

Suspicious of what?

Then, what LEGAL grounds would you have for approaching me?
What is my crime at that point? What have I done, at that point?

Maybe Zimmerman can define, "looking around" for the court, if and when this case get there-- with all of the questions surrounding this, I am glad its looking like this case will go to trial.

Jermyn Davidson · #**876** 06-05-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by canam

wait for it, wait for it, I TOLD YA SO

LOL

Canam, I will freely admit when I am mistaken or wrong, once I realize it.

Jermyn Davidson · #**877** 06-05-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

Did Zimmerman actually live in that particular neighborhood?

Yes he did, Cindy.

scotty · #**878** 06-05-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Really? What is suspicious about walking from point A to point B at 7:12pm in an apartment complex? Since when is looking around while walking is enough for someone to be suspicious?

Suspicious of what?

Then, what LEGAL grounds would you have for approaching me?
What is my crime at that point? What have I done, at that point?

Maybe Zimmerman can define, "looking around" for the court, if and when this case get there-- with all of the questions surrounding this, I am glad its looking like this case will go to trial.

That is the point, what did Zimmy mean by "walking around" ? Walking "around" is not going from point a to point b.

The suspicious behavior is "walking around" in the "rain", compounded by "looking around".

What LEGAL grounds do you have for me not to approach you ? No one said he commited a crime, that is the point of neighborhood watch, to deter crime. However, suspicious behavior is a dispatchable call, and any officer dispatched on such a call WILL confront the person it is called on.

And I'm sure Zimmy will define "looking around" as well as "walking around". And Zimmy will describe how he approached Martin, unfortunatly that will be the only side of the story we will hear.

Jermyn Davidson · #**879** 06-05-2012, 04:42 PM

Ferd,
Zimmerman prejudged Martin-- and that prejudgment led to Martin's death.

Walking, looking around, on a sidewalk in an apartment complex, in the rain at 7:15pm is not suspicious.

Maybe at a different time of night that would seem suspicious to me-- but at 7:15pm, there's nothing suspicious about that.

Jermyn Davidson · #**880** 06-05-2012, 04:50 PM

Ferd,

As for what legal grounds do I have for you not to approach me-- that sounds a bit Gestapo-esque, don't you think?

He was in public, minding his business, on his way back to his destination.

Americans are entitled to live and not be harrassed.

What you are implying doesn't reflect a value for the everyday liberties that most Americans enjoy, like the freedom to walk and look around at your surroundings while walking.