Respectfully I don't see a weekly giving command. Paul told them to lay something aside weekly so that when he came they would have something substantial to give for a need and not have to take up a collection when he came. This collection was for the saints in Jerusalem. Paul already came and took the gift. No need to keep laying something aside for the saints in Jerusalem. Paul came and took it.
If you keep on Brother there won't be anything in the Bible that is authoritative. Because the Corinthian letter wasn't specifically addressed to the 21st century church your argument is that it is no longer applicable. Every letter Paul wrote was for the particular church he was writing to. If someone wants to argue the scripture by who is it explicitly addressed to than we might as well not read it anymore because it isn't written to us anyways.
If you keep on Brother there won't be anything in the Bible that is authoritative. Because the Corinthian letter wasn't specifically addressed to the 21st century church your argument is that it is no longer applicable. Every letter Paul wrote was for the particular church he was writing to. If someone wants to argue the scripture by who is it explicitly addressed to than we might as well not read it anymore because it isn't written to us anyways.
Well since none of the new testament books were written specifically to us, we can start throwing them out.
We shall throw out the book of the Romans, since we are not romans.
the same for all those books to the Ephesians, Corinthians, Thessalonians and so for.
The gospel of luke was written to theophelous as was the book of acts since we are not him, we can get rid of them.
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Brother, if I was in your situation, from now on, I would just ask the saints to set aside what the think would fit into their budget, any percentage they feel to give. Just let them know that "responsible" giving is greatly needed for church bills and future growth.
That is already what I do friend. 10% is reponsible giving and any percent over that they want to give is fine by me. lol
Respectfully I don't see a weekly giving command. Paul told them to lay something aside weekly so that when he came they would have something substantial to give for a need and not have to take up a collection when he came. This collection was for the saints in Jerusalem. Paul already came and took the gift. No need to keep laying something aside for the saints in Jerusalem. Paul came and took it.
The Collection for the Saints
16 Now concerning[a] the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come. 3 And when I arrive, I will send those whom you accredit by letter to carry your gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it seems advisable that I should go also, they will accompany me.
Rudy your are spot on. There is no command for weekly giving as a general practice for the church. Paul was speaking of an offering being collected for a particular need. Ignore those who are mocking you for pointing this out.
The modern church has allot of overhead expense that the early church would not have comprehended. We choose to own our own building, get into debt, strap the people of God with a mortgage and pay a salary to a pastor and staff members. I'm not saying these things are wrong. But they do create stress that contributes to the twisting of scripture to come up with an unbiblical tax or membership dues for the saints. I wish these churches would just be honest and tell people that to be an official member with all the amenities, one must pay membership dues. Those who don't pay can visit as often as they like, but they will receive no amenities.
Sean, Do you have any spiritual authority in your life? What does it mean to submit ourselves one to another. I don't make this comment to do anything with tithing. If you isolate yourself from the body it is like severing a limb the result you die. I regularly learn from other men. I believe in church's being structured in a way that prevents a monarchy rule, but I also believe that if submission only takes place when you agree than that isn't submission. Submitting is yielding to another's will over your own.
If my pastor asks me to tithe? I will if I can.
If I don't trust the leaders in my church, I am gonna pray for the Lord to send me elsewhere.
If my pastor tells me I am going to hell if I don't tithe. I would probably want to talk about it deeper privately and then I would tithe if I could (tithing is not explicitly a salvation issue, but giving is). I would then pray for him and I would pray for God's direction. Just because someone isn't doctrinally perfect in every way I will be careful to keep unity as long as the gospel of Jesus Christ is the foundation.
Some people simply refuse to submit to spiritual leadership.
It is a spirit of rebellion.
I often stayed in churches where I disagreed with the pastor on some issues.
I was willing to submit myself to his leadership because I knew that it is correct to do so.
When the pastor mentioned a subject that I disagree with I simply kept quiet and ignored any urge to correct him or "set him Right". it was not my job to set my pastor right, that is God's job.
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Some people simply refuse to submit to spiritual leadership.
It is a spirit of rebellion.
I often stayed in churches where I disagreed with the pastor on some issues.
I was willing to submit myself to his leadership because I knew that it is correct to do so.
When the pastor mentioned a subject that I disagree with I simply kept quiet and ignored any urge to correct him or "set him Right". it was not my job to set my pastor right, that is God's job.
It is the abuse of authority and the pastors' unwillingness to receive correction themselves that turns people off.
If you keep on Brother there won't be anything in the Bible that is authoritative. Because the Corinthian letter wasn't specifically addressed to the 21st century church your argument is that it is no longer applicable. Every letter Paul wrote was for the particular church he was writing to. If someone wants to argue the scripture by who is it explicitly addressed to than we might as well not read it anymore because it isn't written to us anyways.
You are being ridiculous. Rudy is not saying one thing that in any way resembles what you accuse him of.
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