Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Very effeminate when you are speaking to another man, especially a hairy legged combat veteran, of two wars.

I'd prefer no one use the "cute" word when addressing me.

Oh really? I didn't know that rule was in the language rule book. I'll have to look that up. Regardless, it's a very cute observation.

Your preference is pretty cute, too.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I feel like I've said this a billion times, but once again..... I wouldn't not go because a sin is being committed. I would not go because a sin is being celebrated. The purpose of the event is to celebrate a sin.

Common sense. Some cannot see it.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

After having you call me a "Militant liberal", say that I'm promoting sins of all kinds, or something to that effect, and a host of other slams, I'm pretty beaten down myself. I don't think you're so tired from being beaten down as much as you are from swinging your stick.

And you do it here again. Your rhetoric is hurtful, mean-spirited, and WAY too strong. You call Mr. Mastermind's opinion and "abomination." You're really WAY out of bounds, Jason, and some introspection and reflection would do you some good.

1)I'm not trying to be hurtful, I pretty sure, I spoke very complimentary of your person just a few pages back. I am completely against your views on this topic and how we deal with it in the church according to your actions, because I think the BIBLE gives us instruction that isn't being heeded here.
2)I've been mean spirited? Are you confusing me with Dan? Or I am mean spirited because I don't agree with you guys position? I also said to James Griffin that this would be alot better (more civil) discussion if we were face to face, because NONE OF THESE MEN ARE MY ENEMIES. I don't think that was all that mean.
3)Way too strong. Perhaps, but really I am simply matching the intensity coming from the other side. Some of you guys are used to shouting everyone down, DA is the king of the shout down on AFF.

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I know, I know, you're not going to listen to this right now in the heat of the moment. But I'm hoping you'll consider it later on. You're headed down the wrong road, and I'm not speaking of your opinions, but you're angry, accusatory rhetoric. It's not right. You're starting to sound like Benincasa.

Why do you say I'm heading down the wrong road?
Would supporting the homosexual movement get me on the right road?

Benincasa? You think so? The only people accusing me are the ones on the opposite side of this impassioned discussion. Normally when a poster is out of line their are rebuked by all parties. Please don't misunderstand bluntness with anger. I can assure you I am not angry at you or anyone else.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Think he is trying to say the wedding itself is an abomination, and no matter how good of friends you are, if you aren't across the street waving a sign saying queers are going to hell then you are helping them sin.

This is the kind of rhetoric that is so predictible. "If you don't agree with OUR VIEWPOINT" then your going Fred Phelps on people, and killing abortion doctors, and you'd probably burn withces at the stake.

And while such things are thrown at me, I am being called angry, mean spirited, bigot, hurtful, etc. for simply saying it is a sin, and attending the cememony which celebrates sin is like unto approving. OK.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

LOL Grace is used as approval of ANYTHING these days. Both Peter and Paul wrote that grace wasn't grace wasn't to be used as a cloak for unrighteousness.

Again, you completely misrepresent the truth. I don't wanna say, "You're lying", but you're certainly creating a false impression. Are you doing it intentionally? I don't know. But it's getting REALLY tiresome, Mr. Badejo. So let me say this one more time as it has been stated many times by numerous people, including myself, DA, James Griffin, and now MMM...and here it is....

NOWHERE IN THIS ENTIRE THREAD HAS HOMOSEXUALITY OR ANY OTHER SIN BEEN ENDORSED, SUPPORTED, OR APPROVED.

Can you please stop presenting falsehoods about our position.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Jason either it is late or you are so blinded right now.

You're sole recourse seems to be to go back to same old well of homosexuality is wrong, when no one has disagreed. Sad really.

Take all that out of your last post and you have nothing left. It did not even attempt to talk to a single issue raised. THE issue is NOT whether or homosexuality is wrong, it is the best way to reach them.Sorry you just cannot see that.

So the best way to "reach them" is repeal DADT, let them serve openly (had to throw the long burried thread topic in), allow them the rights to "marry" and attend their weddings, MAYBE even in the future officiate them, (or at least sing a song), AND that is the best way to CONVINCE them to see the error of their ways, and renounce their sin.

I guess I just don't see it.

[MrMasterMind]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So the best way to "reach them" is repeal DADT, let them serve openly (had to throw the long burried thread topic in), allow them the rights to "marry" and attend their weddings, AND that is the best way to CONVINCE them to see the error of their ways, and renounce their sin.

I guess I just don't see it.

you just dont get it.

Convince them the error of their ways

Renounce their sin?

Still waiting on that scripture.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So the best way to "reach them" is repeal DADT, let them serve openly (had to throw the long burried thread topic in), allow them the rights to "marry" and attend their weddings, MAYBE even in the future officiate them, (or at least sing a song), AND that is the best way to CONVINCE them to see the error of their ways, and renounce their sin.

I guess I just don't see it.

Well, since no one here has every come close to suggesting the strategy you just mentioned, I guess indeed, you wouldn't see it.

You'd really help yourself if you dealt with what's being said instead of what you're accusing us of saying.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Jason either it is late or you are so blinded right now.

You're sole recourse seems to be to go back to same old well of homosexuality is wrong, when no one has disagreed. Sad really.

Take all that out of your last post and you have nothing left. It did not even attempt to talk to a single issue raised. THE issue is NOT whether or homosexuality is wrong, it is the best way to reach them.

Sorry you just cannot see that.

This is the repertoire and template used in the last 50 pages ... it is sad.

He would rather stand as accuser than even address the points from equal protection under the law to others ....

Yet ... He wants his points addressed while get the ever-lasting smackdown.

It's the "scratched record" defense. Also, known as the Pee Herman defense - "I know you are but what am I?"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I feel like I've said this a billion times, but once again..... I wouldn't not go because a sin is being committed. I would not go because a sin is being celebrated. The purpose of the event is to celebrate a sin.

Oh ... like attending the christening of a baby ... the baby shower of a child conceived out of wedlock ...

I know heresy and fornication are lower on the Sin-O-Meter. It's only the cordial thing to do if they are a good friend and relative.

and no, the baby is not the sinner ... the adults are most definitely "in sin".

And most definitely an event to celebrate a sin ...