From all that I have read, I think what the folk that have gone Charismatic don't understand is when you have a Society (and a church for that matter) that is devoid of all rules and no guidelines whatsoever, you have a culture and society that turns to utter chaos and godllisness.
It may not be effecting you and your household directly but let all this permissivemness keep going and let's see what this next generation turns out like. Don't try and tell me that letting the kids pierce their bodies and dress in Goth or cross dress has nothing to do with the spirit world.
you and several here that have chimed in on this discusion do not believe that there are any scriptural backing for teaching gender distinction. most have shot down any and all scriptures brought up. If you don't believe there is any bible backing and believe that Duet is just old testament law that does not apply then you and all the rest advocate the "anything goes" minset of today's culture. what can you say? if it's not bible then you have nothing to go on to come against the spirit of the age
1. There has only been one verse brought up, not 'any and all'.
2. Thad, believing that if someone doesn't believe A, then they must believe B, when B happens to be the polar opposite which makes no sense.
It's like, if I ask you if you like to drink cold water and you say no, then I claim you must like to drink hot water. Does that make sense?
It's the same logic you use to say that if I don't believe in standards as taught by the UPC, then I must believe anything goes. That logic is faulty.
Let's have honest discussion. Assuming someone's beliefs isn't having it.
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That is not true. I do believe in gender distinction and I think most others here do too. The difference is that I believe that skirts on women are not a required gender distinction biblically but that gender distinction is shown in the way people dress in general. In other words, men and woman can wear pants and still be gender distinctive just like in OT times both men and women wore robes and were also gender distinctive.
Just admit that you believe anything goes!
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you and several here that have chimed in on this discusion do not believe that there are any scriptural backing for teaching gender distinction. most have shot down any and all scriptures brought up. If you don't believe there is any bible backing and believe that Duet is just old testament law that does not apply then you and all the rest advocate the "anything goes" minset of today's culture. what can you say? if it's not bible then you have nothing to go on to come against the spirit of the age
Thad you have not given any scriptural to backup that pants are not for women. It's not in there!
~There is Only One True Biblical Jesus, the Rest are Counterfeits~
"Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive ANOTHER SPIRIT, which ye have not received, or ANOTHER GOSPEL, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him” .
In 2nd Corinthians 11:1-4, Paul warns us that some people are dangerous and extremely hazardous to our spiritual health. There are many people today, just as then, who preach ANOTHER JESUS—not the Jesus which the Scriptures portray. If someone comes along and teaches that Jesus never died on the cross, then you know he’s an imposter, heretic~
This here is where the teaching of dress standard has become another Gospel in it's self~If someone teaches that trusting Jesus as Savior is not enough in itself to be saved, then you know that he is of the devil !~
Paul also warns us of those who bring in another gospel or another spirit , “For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, "this includes the outward dress teachings" whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, [B] "this would be one of man" !
The Gospel is the “good news” of salvation., by God’s grace through our faith in Christ alone. There are religions everywhere which teach OTHER methods of getting to Heaven. Like the outward teaching as a sign. A sign to whom? They do this to their own destruction!
Oh yes i did but folks like you always put their fingers in their ears and then later scream that I never gave scripture. i must have posted more then 50 times
Oh yes i did but folks like you always put their fingers in their ears and then later scream that I never gave scripture. i must have posted more then 50 times
Thad, you haven't even posted on this thread 50 times. And repeating the same verse 50 times doesn't mean you've posted several scriptures.
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From all that I have read, I think what the folk that have gone Charismatic don't understand is when you have a Society (and a church for that matter) that is devoid of all rules and no guidelines whatsoever, you have a culture and society that turns to utter chaos and godllisness.
It may not be effecting you and your household directly but let all this permissivemness keep going and let's see what this next generation turns out like. Don't try and tell me that letting the kids pierce their bodies and dress in Goth or cross dress has nothing to do with the spirit world.
Thad,
If you don't teach your children to really know God and to hear His voice, I assure you in two to three generations your linage will not know God. You can cram all the hard rules you like on them, they will leave your teaching generation by generation. I haven't attended a UPC church in 25 years, and not one of my children have pierced their "bodies", dress in Goth or cross dressed. One son plays piano and leads music in his church, my daughter is about to go to Uruguay on a medical mission with a Christian university, and my youngest son is a sophomore at a Christian university.
You better teach them in your home, and you better live what you teach, children can smell hypocrisy a mile away. Why do you think Christians outside of your culture don't have rules for their kids?
Gone Charismatic? I'm in Dallas and I don't know of any "Charismatic" churches around here? What are you talking about?
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Thad,
If you don't teach your children to really know God and to hear His voice, I assure you in two to three generations your linage will not know God. You can cram all the hard rules you like on them, they will leave your teaching generation by generation. I haven't attended a UPC church in 25 years, and not one of my children have pierced their "bodies", dress in Goth or cross dressed. One son plays piano and leads music in his church, my daughter is about to go to Uruguay on a medical mission with a Christian university, and my youngest son is a sophomore at a Christian university.
You better teach them in your home, and you better live what you teach, children can smell hypocrisy a mile away. Why do you think Christians outside of your culture don't have rules for their kids?
Gone Charismatic? I'm in Dallas and I don't know of any Charismatic churches around here? What are you talking about?
This is so true. We've been out of the UPC for 16 years now our kids are still godly and sane. The two oldest 22, 20 are in collage and the younger 17 has one year left, they don't drink or smoke, they don't parties they are all sill virgins living for God~ And to think they doing this outside the mother ship (UPC)
Thad,
If you don't teach your children to really know God and to hear His voice, I assure you in two to three generations your linage will not know God. You can cram all the hard rules you like on them, they will leave your teaching generation by generation. I haven't attended a UPC church in 25 years, and not one of my children have pierced their "bodies", dress in Goth or cross dressed. One son plays piano and leads music in his church, my daughter is about to go to Uruguay on a medical mission with a Christian university, and my youngest son is a sophomore at a Christian university.
You better teach them in your home, and you better live what you teach, children can smell hypocrisy a mile away. Why do you think Christians outside of your culture don't have rules for their kids?
Gone Charismatic? I'm in Dallas and I don't know of any Charismatic churches around here? What are you talking about?
you're kids may not but scripurally you are defenseless against what i described. why? because you and others refute all the teachings and scriptural backing that we use. I never said that you have to be upc or that your kids will end up looking as i mentioned BUT what can you say against it IF IF IF they did ? you believe there are no scriptural grounds against dress.
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