Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Its funny that in Hebrews 11:6 you bolded what you believe but did not bold what others believe too, which is to DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM. .

I believe in seeking him diligently too. (Faith without works is dead)

Originally Posted by onefaith2

You are in doctrinal error if you believe that nothing we can do can please God.

Walking by Faith is an action we do with HIS help! If we walk by the SPirit, we will please GOD. Its all by his Grace but it manifests in our action

The wrong would actually be nothing that we can do ALONE will please God.

If the emboldened statement is isolated, it sounds as if one is trying please God by their good works which was why I qouted Isaiah 64:6 to show that our goods works without Christ is nothing.

I agree however that our faith is proved by our actions (i.e faith without works is dead). If we believe in Him and His word, we will seek Him diligently (No argument on that), but that was not what I was addressing. I'm not talking about faith versus works.

I was specifcally addressing the fact that someone can preach that wearing jewelry is displeasing to God, yet the same person says he is not sure if wearing jewely is actually displeasing to God? This is where I see inconsistency.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I believe in seeking him diligently too. (Faith without works is dead)


If the emboldened statement is isolated, it sounds as if one is trying please God by their good works which was why I qouted Isaiah 64:6 to show that our goods works without Christ is nothing.

I agree however that our faith is proved by our actions (i.e faith without works is dead). If we believe in Him and His word, we will seek Him diligently (No argument on that), but that was not what I was addressing. I'm not talking about faith versus works.

I was specifcally addressing the fact that someone can preach that wearing jewelry is displeasing to God, yet the same person says he is not sure if wearing jewely is actually displeasing to God? This is where I see inconsistency.

Wearing or not wearing jewelry can never be the issue. its the matter of the heart behind it and thats what standards are supposed to protect. I could not wear ANY jewelry and still be on my way to hell. i could wear watches and rings and still be on my way to hell. Its the matter of the heart. Whats the purpose in wearing or not wearing.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Wearing or not wearing jewelry can never be the issue. its the matter of the heart behind it and thats what standards are supposed to protect. I could not wear ANY jewelry and still be on my way to hell. i could wear watches and rings and still be on my way to hell. Its the matter of the heart. Whats the purpose in wearing or not wearing.

Exactly! the purpose of wearing the jewelry is where the matter lies not the jewelry itself. The jewelry itself is just a piece of metal that is corruptible, so the issue where the heart lies.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

I believe in seeking him diligently too. (Faith without works is dead)


If the emboldened statement is isolated, it sounds as if one is trying please God by their good works which was why I qouted Isaiah 64:6 to show that our goods works without Christ is nothing.

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The statement is not alone. If we walk in the SPirit, we will not fulfill the flesh. It is always conditional. Same for wearing jewelry. If the Word and Spirit convicts we have to stop wearing it in order to please God. All of this conviction that is God ordained comes from the Spirit, not a preacher, but from the preached word.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Exactly! the purpose of wearing the jewelry is where the matter lies not the jewelry itself. The jewelry itself is just a piece of metal that is corruptible, so the issue where the heart lies.

Exactly and that is why Paul and Timothy addressed the issue, due to what wearing of gold, pearls, costly array can do to the heart.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Exactly and that is why Paul and Timothy addressed the issue, due to what wearing of gold, pearls, costly array can do to the heart.

How does a wedding ring affect the heart?

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

How does a wedding ring affect the heart?

Have you ever seen where a preacher begins to preach about the wearing of jewelry and what it can do to a person and see someone get so mad that they storm out?

Or if someone loses their wedding band, their world crashes in?

We can get seriously attached to this stuff. No saying everyone is like this. My wife isn't. She has worn one off and on, with no problem.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Have you ever seen where a preacher begins to preach about the wearing of jewelry and what it can do to a person and see someone get so mad that they storm out?

Or if someone loses their wedding band, their world crashes in?

We can get seriously attached to this stuff. No saying everyone is like this. My wife isn't. She has worn one off and on, with no problem.

Yeah, we should not get attached to material things (jewelry, TV, Internet...) else they become idolatrous. However, to say jewelry in and of itself is wrong without addressing the "heart issue" is where the problem would be, IMHO.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Yeah, we should not get attached to material things (jewelry, TV, Internet...) else they become idolatrous. However, to say jewelry in and of itself is wrong without addressing the "heart issue" is where the problem would be, IMHO.

Both scriptures deal with both issues in 1 Timothy and in 1 peter 3.

Also good to note one deals with the marriage bond and the other in general.

Jewelry is pinpointed by the scripture, thats why its pinpointed by churches. and i totally agree we MUST address the heart too!

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sam

There is some good teaching on
http://www.actseighteen.com/
about some of this stuff.

Yes, & I recently presented a rebuttal paper to Jason Young's website that you've referenced above...as well as Josh Spier's...try again Sam!