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Originally Posted by Sheltiedad
The RCC and the UPC have the same ingredients... but it is like one of those crock pot recipes... if you look at the ingredients after only an hour (UPC), it still doesn't look like much... but if you look at it 8 hours later (RCC), you start to realize what has been created.
(so glad they create this smiley)
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I'm certainly no cheerleader for the UPC, but I think with the autonomy of the local church as the basic unit of the org that it really can't be compared to the RCC.
The RCC has a trained clergy. The UPC is catch-as-catch-can and make up your theology as you go.
The RCC clergy are assigned to a parish and have no say in who their bishop is. The UPC practices a form of entrepreneurial evangelism where an entrepreneur goes out to harvest the tithes and offerings from whoever he can convince to give. The UPC clergy then forward only whatever they feel like forwarding on up the food chain. There's a big difference in this mechanism and its implications for control. The RCC clergy get a paycheck from their diocese.
In the past, when a RCC clergy was caught in a sex scandal he was protected by his org. In the UPC these types are really rolling the dice and most will have to leave the org if not leave the ministry entirely when they are found out.
In the pre-RCC days of the Old Catholic Church the heirarchy of bishops and archbishops was already in place. The only argument was which bishop was top dog; Alexandria, Antioch or Rome or someone else? In the UPC the trend seems to be a continued decentralization of power. There is an important exception: the way in which local districts wield authority over their fiefdoms. The district actually trumps HQ in just about every situation.
If you could turn the clock forward, so to speak, and take a look at a future UPC I don't think it would evolve into a RCC type model. It would likely cease to exist and the various parts dismembered the corpse to form the predecessor orgs that will then merge to form a successor org. And the cycle will continue.
Or it won't.