Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Sting operations are now dishonorable?

why does a person have to give false intentions on this?

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

You mean like 54 year old law enforcement officers pose as 13 year old girls?

Exactly! I hope they keep doing that. I want to do that and catch some baddie!

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Ouden,

I would say that according to the book of Acts, tongues are the necessary evidence that someone has been baptized with the Holy Spirit.

There is a poster on CARM named Forever4truth who defends the initial evidence doctrine better than anyone I've read. He posts on the Pentecostal and Oneness Pentecostal forums over there. You have to join CARM to read the threads.

A recent thread: http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthrea...ing-in-Tongues

Great thread.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Standards

I attended Ursan Shool of Theologie

Good for you. I would like to attend UGST but not sure I want to move that far away.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by DAII

Trust me James, I can distinguish between the Apologetics Mafia, Godhead ninjas and the illiterati.

Sometimes not so much with the Enseyites.

I mean have you read his blog?

Yes, I don't always agree with him. Yet, many times I do. I love his remarks about Obama.

[ouden katakrim]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (Romans 8:9 ESV)

I don't think we have a choice. All who believe in Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I believe God has chosen this to authenticate His Spirit indwelling the believer.

But necessarily?

ouden

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I think it's possible.

I don't know of any that says it should be, that is not the point. The point is these Trinitarians themselves point out how it could be translated. I don't doubt Jews translate the verse it comes from in the OT differently.

Psa 45:6 (45:7) Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Psa 45:7 (45:8) Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated wickedness; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Here is the RSV
Psa 45:6 Your divine throne endures for ever and ever. Your royal scepter is a scepter of equity;

Here is the ESV
Psa 45:6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;

GNB
Psa 45:6 The kingdom that God has given you will last forever and ever. You rule over your people with justice;

Compare this with the verse in Hebrews
Heb 1:8 About the Son, however, God said: "Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.

This is where I'm making assumptions on your position, but it really sounds like you think Trinity vs. Oneness is a behind-the-scenes, single-handed game-changer for interpretation, and I really don't think it is.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Just as a follow up on the Stoneking PhD....

You may purchase yours for a mere 4500 pounds.

This is the email I received when I requested information:

SEU offers a PhD at £4500. Could you give me an indication of the area you wish to research and your current qualifications for me to provisionally indicate if we would be able to offer supervision.

kind regards
Dr John Johnson
academic director SEU


Oh I will be following this up...lol

DA should do another site like HMH, that highlights the men that ask to be called "DOCTOR" and assume the role of theololgical expert, and put the real education next to their mugshot. Okay, that sounds a little harsh. But sheesh... include some charismatics too! They are just as guilty! It's dishonest! It's a "form of education but denying the power thereof."

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Apparently it's important enough to some people that they're willing to tout meaningless pieces of paper in order to have that status.

I don't believe a man has to attend Bible College in order to be a minister, but there is something to the idea of studying to show yourself approved. I'm highly suspicious of young ministers who want to be in the pulpit but they refuse to spend any time applying themselves to learning from older, wiser men and women of God.

I'm WAY more suspicious of men who want people to THINK they spent time studying for a degree when they really didn't.

I agree.

However, I do think it's necessary that a group has individuals committed to education, or it becomes an incestuous academia that disentigrates into ignorance over generations -- and those that do obtain an education take the first train out of town. I believe it's critical, in fact.

And if you're life is to be given as a servant to the saints in the capacity of ministry, why aren't you equipping yourself with study?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. (Romans 8:9 ESV)

I don't think we have a choice. All who believe in Christ are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I believe God has chosen this to authenticate His Spirit indwelling the believer.

So you believe Romans 8 = glossalalia, Holy Spirit baptism? Interesting.