Was it necessary to repeal DADT? - Page 81

Mr. Smith · #**801** 12-29-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Not commission of a sin, celebration of a sin. Joining in the celebration of a sin. And yes, a wedding is a celebration.

And yeah, if I was at a party and someone put on a porn film, I'd leave because I don't want to see or hear that.

I think we're stretching the point a little bit.

I would say the reception is a celebration but certainly not the wedding. But whatever...that's beside the point.

So are you saying that two people of the same gender marrying one another isn't a sin?

*AQuietPlace* · #**802** 12-29-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I would say the reception is a celebration but certainly not the wedding. But whatever...that's beside the point.

So are you saying that two people of the same gender marrying one another isn't a sin?

Huh? Where did I say that? Oh, because I said 'not the commission of a sin' at the beginning of my post?' No, that's not what I was saying. As a matter of fact how could I mean that when I said that it's the celebration of a sin?? The 'sin' is two people of the same gender marrying each other.

I was just saying (I think, this conversation is starting to go in circles in my head

) that being present when a sin is committed (in other words, someone in the same room is sinning) is not the same as celebrating a sin.

And if the wedding isn't a celebration, why invite people? Why not just go to the jp? We invite people to come celebrate with us.... our marriages, our birthdays, our graduations, etc. After the wedding, people will often shake the couples hands and say - Congratulations! We're celebrating their union.

MrMasterMind · #**803** 12-29-2010, 10:57 PM

Sorry I am late for the party. Spent the last couple weeks at Southern Eastern picking up a JD and a couple more PhDs.

What did I miss?

Mr. Smith · #**804** 12-29-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Huh? Where did I say that? Oh, because I said 'not the commission of a sin' at the beginning of my post?' No, that's not what I was saying. As a matter of fact how could I mean that when I said that it's the celebration of a sin?? The 'sin' is two people of the same gender marrying each other.

I was just saying (I think, this conversation is starting to go in circles in my head

) that being present when a sin is committed (in other words, someone in the same room is sinning) is not the same as celebrating a sin.

And if the wedding isn't a celebration, why invite people? Why not just go to the jp? We invite people to come celebrate with us.... our marriages, our birthdays, our graduations, etc. After the wedding, people will often shake the couples hands and say - Congratulations! We're celebrating their union.

You said, "Not commission of a sin, celebration of a sin." And I didn't say you said it wasn't a sin, I asked you if that's what you were saying.

So ok then, if two same-gender people getting married is a sin and you would need to remove yourself from that activity because it is a sin, would you also need to remove yourself from all those other activities I previously listed? Do you need to be consistent, regardless of whether or not you were expecting sin to take place at the event you're attending?

Mr. Smith · #**805** 12-29-2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

Sorry I am late for the party. Spent the last couple weeks at Southern Eastern picking up a JD and a couple more PhDs.

What did I miss?

It's "Dr. Smith" to you, pal.

You haven't missed much. We're all pretty much stuck in the mud of our opinions and refusing the help of passing tow trucks.

*AQuietPlace* · #**806** 12-29-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

You said, "Not commission of a sin, celebration of a sin." And I didn't say you said it wasn't a sin, I asked you if that's what you were saying.

So ok then, if two same-gender people getting married is a sin and you would need to remove yourself from that activity because it is a sin, would you also need to remove yourself from all those other activities I previously listed? Do you need to be consistent, regardless of whether or not you were expecting sin to take place at the event you're attending?

I feel like I've said this a billion times, but once again..... I wouldn't not go because a sin is being committed. I would not go because a sin is being celebrated. The purpose of the event is to celebrate a sin.

Mr. Smith · #**807** 12-29-2010, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I feel like I've said this a billion times, but once again..... I wouldn't not go because a sin is being committed. I would not go because a sin is being celebrated. The purpose of the event is to celebrate a sin.

Ok, I understand. So what about a baby shower for the child of a gay couple. Is that a celebration? Would you go and take a gift?

MrMasterMind · #**808** 12-29-2010, 11:36 PM

In reading the Bible cover to cover more times than I could count I have yet to see where Jesus thought it necessary to stay away from sinners because of their lifestyle.

In fact the only words of harsh condemnation were for church people who thought they were saved.

He was so intent on being out among the sinners that he was accused of being one. What made Him the thorn in the side to the religious leaders was He simply did not care what they thought of Him.

I am sure He didn't demand they make lifestyle changes before attending their weddings.

Mr. Smith · #**809** 12-29-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

In reading the Bible cover to cover more times than I could count I have yet to see where Jesus thought it necessary to stay away from sinners because of their lifestyle.

In fact the only words of harsh condemnation were for church people who thought they were saved.

He was so intent on being out among the sinners that he was accused of being one. What made Him the thorn in the side to the religious leaders was He simply did not care what they thought of Him.

I am sure He didn't demand they make lifestyle changes before attending their weddings.

Simple yet brilliant. It really is that clear. Oh how I wish the eyes of every Christian were open to this truth!! We would change the world!

Jason B · #**810** 12-29-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

In reading the Bible cover to cover more times than I could count I have yet to see where Jesus thought it necessary to stay away from sinners because of their lifestyle.

In fact the only words of harsh condemnation were for church people who thought they were saved.

He was so intent on being out among the sinners that he was accused of being one. What made Him the thorn in the side to the religious leaders was He simply did not care what they thought of Him.

I agree, and most here agree with this statement to this point.

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Originally Posted by MrMasterMind

I am sure He didn't demand they make lifestyle changes before attending their weddings.

Ignorance. Nothing personal MMM, but I'm so beaten down with "christians" defending this abomination that I don't even see the benefit in expounding.