The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[IAintMovin]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

huh???

Clear to me, but I fixed it for you.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Honk-a-Mon

you have any bible for what you just posted......or are you just taking someones word for your belief......so glad you could look into heaven and see what se didnt see......oh wait.....you just did what you accused him of doing......you are a funny person......i say that nice........Gods word gives us direction......we just have to follow....all of it.......outside of Acts 2 38.......hummmmm no plan that i have found.......

The problem is not Acts 2:38, the problem is a wrong interpretation of why a person is obeying it and at what point a person is born again.

If you want to disagree with Jesus who said a person cannot see or enter the kingdom without first being born again then that's your choice. Acts 2:38 is instruction on how to enter the kingdom once you have been born of the Spirit and thus able to perceive spiritual truths.

I teach a strong message of repentance, baptism, and the need of the Holy Ghost anointing, but there is no Scriptural basis for believing a person is not spiritually alive until they speak with tongues. I don't believe in baptizing sinners and don't believe the Holy Spirit baptism is for the unregenerated.

Jesus was born of the Spirit, then identified with the kingdom of God through baptism and then anointed with the Spirit. Jesus had authority, but no power to exercise that authority until He received the power of the Holy Spirit.

The disciples had authority, but no power to exercise that authority until they received the power of the Holy Spirit. They didn't receive the Holy Spirit baptism for salvation, but for the anointing that empowered them to exercise the authority they had in Christ.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Can I ask a honest question in kindness, if one is borned again wouldn't he be apart of the kingdom Of God or Heaven already?
Also too wasn't the New Testament church begun on the day of Pentecost?
I'm not trying to argue I'm just wondering.

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Without the shedding of blood there is no remission...........
Repentand AND remission of sins shall be preached in my Name beginning at Jerusalem......................
Repent and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the Name of Jesus Christ FOR the remission of sins.............................
To reject baptism in Jesus Name is to reject the blood. The blood is in the Name!

The blood is not in the name of Jesus. The blood is in heaven. It is not applied, it is appropriated. The name of Jesus is the means by which we can appropriate the blood. We appropriate the blood the moment we call on the name of the Lord in faith and repentance. We appropriate the blood when we call on the name of the Lord in baptism. We continue to appropriate the blood whenever we confess our sins and God forgives us our sins as we walk as a child of God in this journey of faith.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

The blood is not in the name of Jesus. The blood is in heaven. It is not applied, it is appropriated. The name of Jesus is the means by which we can appropriate the blood. We appropriate the blood the moment we call on the name of the Lord in faith and repentance. We appropriate the blood when we call on the name of the Lord in baptism. We continue to appropriate the blood whenever we confess our sins and God forgives us our sins as we walk as a child of God in this journey of faith.

Thanks TB for a biblical answer ... also Jesus our High priest does this, not our actions ....

I'm always fascinated by the blood being applied in water or by the Name theory.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

The blood is not in the name of Jesus. The blood is in heaven. It is not applied, it is appropriated. The name of Jesus is the means by which we can appropriate the blood. We appropriate the blood the moment we call on the name of the Lord in faith and repentance. We appropriate the blood when we call on the name of the Lord in baptism. We continue to appropriate the blood whenever we confess our sins and God forgives us our sins as we walk as a child of God in this journey of faith.

TB, I promise you that until this was mentioned some time ago at FCF, I had never heard this, and I was born and bred in the Apostolic Church.

I was taught that the ONLY way the Blood is applied is in baptism in the Name...never heard tell of appropriated in my life.

This is very interesting...

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Can I ask a honest question in kindness, if one is borned again wouldn't he be apart of the kingdom Of God or Heaven already?
Also too wasn't the New Testament church begun on the day of Pentecost?
I'm not trying to argue I'm just wondering.

Scott, Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again to see and enter the kingdom. One must see spiritual truth before he can enter the kingdom. On the Day of Pentecost the multitude listened to the gospel message of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection and as they listened to this message their spiritual eyes were opened to see Jesus as their Messiah, which prompted them to ask what they must do. Peter then told them what to do to enter the kingdom. It was regeneration by the Word of God and the Spirit that allowed them to first see, and then enter the kingdom of God.

Paul also makes it very clear that the natural mind cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. That's what regeneration does for us. 1John 5:1 says that whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. That is what happened to the crowd at Pentecost and what happened to the crowd in Cornelius' house. It is because we have been born of God that we have the right to enter His kingdom.

I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone can say that we can enter the kingdom of God as sinners and that by entering the kingdom we become born again.

It's the same ridiculous reasoning that says we receive the inheritance to become a son of God instead of receiving an inheritance because we are the son of God. (Gal. 4:6)

[Truly Blessed]

Originally Posted by Brett Prince

The adoption of sonship provides the name, according to the custom of Bible times, just as legally as does a bloodline.

Hope there are no wounds being opened by this discussion, Bro. Alicea.

According to Jewish custom a male child did not have sonship conferred upon him until he reached the age of maturity after having spent time under tutors who prepared him for that moment. According to Galatians 4 he was no different than the servant although he was heir to all that belonged to his father. Jesus redeemed us so that we could receive the full rights of sons. Thus the Scripture in Gal. 4:6 that states that because we are sons God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts crying "Abba Father".

When Jesus came to John for baptism, He was already the child of God, having been born of the Spirit. When the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" John knew full well the significance of that statement. Jesus was given power to act on behalf of His Father. And that's exactly how He described it as He went about His ministry. What He saw and heard from the Father is what He did.

This is the principle role of the Spirit in our lives as well!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

According to Jewish custom a male child did not have sonship conferred upon him until he reached the age of maturity after having spent time under tutors who prepared him for that moment. According to Galatians 4 he was no different than the servant although he was heir to all that belonged to his father. Jesus redeemed us so that we could receive the full rights of sons. Thus the Scripture in Gal. 4:6 that states that because we are sons God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts crying "Abba Father".

When Jesus came to John for baptism, He was already the child of God, having been born of the Spirit. When the Father said "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" John knew full well the significance of that statement. Jesus was given power to act on behalf of His Father. And that's exactly how He described it as He went about His ministry. What He saw and heard from the Father is what He did.

This is the principle role of the Spirit in our lives as well!

Rabbi TB ... I am covered by your dust ...

[SDG]

TB did the old time PCIers believe New Birth as you have described it tonight?