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11-15-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
It may not be consistent with the comparison you are asking for comment on but for me...at worst, Christmas is like asking if the meat you are eating has been sacrificed to idols.
We know that there are no such things as idols. They are lifeless, impotent, and major dust collectors. So lets not empower them with our own witch-hunt, making them into something that has dominion in our lives.
If a pagan did something in service/worship to a lie, a non-existent, man-made deity, how can that have ANY potency in my life unless I willingly do the same?
Pagan activity with their idols, including the meat they offered to these "non-eaters" is nothing.
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Please don't take this as a jab, but can I have the short version of what you were trying to say?
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11-15-2007, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Your premise was that it's not in the bible. Period. I can make the same arguments about Christmas for most Christians. It's not taught as a doctrine in churches that you have to celebrate it, that you have to have a tree...that jesus was born on this day. Just like your three piece suit....BTW are you against Christmas because it celebrates jesus Christ or are you against it because it's not in the bible to celebrate it?
They are NOT in the bible, just like your three piece suit, the trinity and celebrating the birth of Jesus. Your argument was based on whether or not it's found in the bible. We can spend a day or so going over what is or is not found in the bible.
But that IS exactly the point. Your assertion was based on something NOT being biblical...we shun the Trinity because it is not biblical....all these other things are not biblical either. The difference is this...are certain things that are NOT biblical being promoted as being biblical or are they bein promoted as a requirement or doctrine to hold and believe? No, but if they are and they are not biblical they DO need to be shunned then.
Christmas is called a Christian celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ BUT it is NOT mandated. It is not taught as a biblical concept or doctrine.
Do you celebrate the Resurrection? While Christmas is a later addition "Easter" or The Resurrection WAS celebrated. Christmas was added in the 4th century and the date many believe was chosen because the bible does not give the date and the thought absorbing the 25th as a Christian holiday would help convert pagans over to Christianity. That alone does not make celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ a pagan holiday...Jesus is not a pagan deity.
Christmas as it is celebrated today by many, christian and non-christian, has notihng to do with the originality of that decision. Those practices were added later on and during the later years in the middle centuries it was really a time like mardi gras or Halloween. It was full of debauchery and was not about the meek and mild christ
Christmas as we know it is really an Ameican invention.
Washington Irving invented American Christmas
BTW I quoted portions of the above since I did not have time to email and ask if I can cite the entire content, but it's an interesting read if you all would go back and read it all.
Christmas is REALLY a secular Holiday, but for many Christians it is about not only the birth of Christ but the spirit of Christ in giving and fellowship. It's sad that it is become so commercialized and more about family than helping the poor, but that does not mean you or I should not do better on this day or this time of the year as through all days of the year
In Jesus name
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YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!
Secular and has nothing to do with the Bible.
It is commercialized and has nothing to do with the Gospel.
Paul preached Jesus' death burial and resurrection.
Help the poor? Oh my lands, what are they to do for the rest of the year? This is almost as funny as Randy Wayne's Fisher Price toy and Pianoman's Santa Claus Benincasa photo. The poor will be happy to hear that once a year they can count on Christians growing a conscience and buy them some dounuts and coffee.
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11-15-2007, 09:38 PM
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I can't take this place you have all became way too funny.
I'm dying, I'm melting, I'm melting,
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11-15-2007, 09:39 PM
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My back went out, I can't stop laughing
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11-15-2007, 09:40 PM
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I think we can have a balanced veiw on all things. We should pray and decide and let our pilgrimage be in the fear of the Lord.
I think most of us know Christ was not born on Dec. 25 however the FACT that He was born should make us rejoice and be glad.
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11-15-2007, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
I think we can have a balanced veiw on all things. We should pray and decide and let our pilgrimage be in the fear of the Lord.
I think most of us know Christ was not born on Dec. 25 however the FACT that He was born should make us rejoice and be glad.
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Lord bless you Sister, but let's rejoice in His death, burial, and resurrection in Acts 2:38. That is done all year round.
May you and your husband be blessed.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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11-15-2007, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Lord bless you Sister, but let's rejoice in His death, burial, and resurrection in Acts 2:38. That is done all year round.
May you and your husband be blessed.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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He couldn't have died, buried and resurrected had he not been born!
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11-15-2007, 09:50 PM
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yes I do rejoice but as my friend said he could not have died without being born...
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11-15-2007, 09:59 PM
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Sister Alvear
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Evangelist B. I respect your opinion but I live in a pagan world in Brazil...I know the depths and darkness of rituals and endless feasts.
I am not saying celebrating Christmas did not come from pagan roots BUT I am saying I am glad the KING of the Jews was born. I would say he was born maybe in oct...that is what I came to the conclusion many years ago...however I was not there...but I am glad He came.
personally, I believe He was born during the feast of the tabernacles...but that also is debatable.
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11-15-2007, 10:06 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Luk 2:8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
Luk 2:9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Luk 2:12 And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
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The angels rejoiced and praised God his birth, so I see no reason why I should not.
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